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In reply to the discussion: Is it just me, or is shit escalating faster than normal? [View all]CrispyQ
(40,259 posts)65. No One is coming to save us. ... I'm a peaceful person but I cannot lie. We are way past the tipping-point.
Sobering, but well said.
I believe we are going to have to slog through this & I'm not going to be a good German. I do believe a ton of people are apolitical & don't pay attention, but by Christmas I think those people won't be buying all the bullshit Trump tries to peddle. What worries me is the 37% that continue to support Trump. I have yet to see his approval number drop below that.
This commentary was written in 2018 when the US was starting to separate families at the southern border. At one point O'Toole writes, "Forget post-fascist what we are living with is pre-fascism." And here we are, seven years later, well into it.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375
Fintan OToole
Tue Jun 26 2018
snip...
Fascism doesnt arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.
One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections weve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities. Fascism does not need a majority it typically comes to power with about 40 per cent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesnt matter if most people hate you, as long as your 40 per cent is fanatically committed. Thats been tested out too. And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of alternative facts impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.
But when youve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination.
Immigrants & trans are who they started with but the rest of us are on the list, too.
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Hate to say it, but there is no institutionalist approach that is going to work. The institutions have been perverted
JCMach1
Sep 16
#4
Not when a tipping point is reached. Education matters little. However, age does...
JCMach1
Sep 16
#14
In terms of collective action, those countries that have experienced it at least since the Arab have demographically
JCMach1
Sep 16
#23
Unfortunately everyone here is in extreme and immediate danger and it's actually going to happen now
Eliot Rosewater
Sep 16
#11
It's literally been less than a week. It takes time to ramp these things up.
Crunchy Frog
Sep 16
#22
No One is coming to save us. ... I'm a peaceful person but I cannot lie. We are way past the tipping-point.
CrispyQ
Sep 16
#65
Reading that the twisted pos Stephen Miller is going after the "left terror network"...
rubbersole
Sep 16
#38
Full stop? I think you'll be "full-stopped" in a minute, you one post wonder.
LuckyCharms
Sep 16
#52
Me too. I have a bad feeling Kirk was the sacrificial lamb Trump chose to start his
travelingthrulife
Sep 16
#60
Don't forget that Trump apparently told Putin at their recent meeting "I will help you"...
AntiFascist
Sep 16
#66