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LuckyCharms

(20,638 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:02 AM Sep 16

Is it just me, or is shit escalating faster than normal?

I never post stuff like this, but I've been stricken with a true sense of dread in the past few hours.

My intuition is usually spot on, and it seems like shit is really starting to spin out of control.

There was a good post in here earlier about how many were mocked years ago when we talked about Trump going "full Hitler".

I was one of those people who said that the day after election day in 2016.

I think the spark we've been dreading has finally arrived...the Charlie Kirk shooting. and the right-wing spin is working furiously to blame the left. I'm not seeing much push-back on this.

It's apparent to me that many in the media are truly afraid, to speak up. Many are shaken to their core with fear.

Why why WHY can't the Dems get in front of shit like this?

This has turned into a metaphorical street fight. There are no rules in a street fight. Eye gouging, biting off body parts (figuratively, I'm not calling for violence)...that's the mindset the "good guys" need to have. Because being a "good guy" isn't going to cut it anymore.

Most (note that I typed MOST) of the "good guys" don't have the will to fight. because most of us are not built that way. We are a gentler sort, a "take the high road" type.

We need press conferences. We need notable Dems to be on the TV as much as possible, waking people up, and telling the media personalities to their faces, on live TV, that they are full of shit with their "both-siderism".

WE feel fear. WE feel rage. most people however, are walking around like everything is normal.

People need to be screamed at. They need to know they are at risk PERSONALLY. The apathetic need to feel the fear we do.

We need 10 of millions of more people to wake the fuck up, or else, when this is all over, it's going to be like the "normal" Germans who were puking when they realized what happened in the concentration camps.

Jesus Christ, who would have thought the spark would have been the killing of some asshole who I barely even heard of.

I'm prepared for backlash on this post.

There's just not enough people pushing back in a meaningful way...we have millions, but we need many more millions to be shaken from their slumber.

Personally, I protest. I send emails to representatives I mock. I belittle. I try to educate...but that's a lost fucking cause.

And I'm preaching to the choir, I know.

Trump is a cornered animal, most likely because of Epstein, but also with something else more nefarious that we know nothing about.

This has gone way too far, and I can't imagine what is going to fix it at this point.

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Is it just me, or is shit escalating faster than normal? (Original Post) LuckyCharms Sep 16 OP
25th pbmus Sep 16 #1
25th amendment? LuckyCharms Sep 16 #2
Hate to say it, but there is no institutionalist approach that is going to work. The institutions have been perverted JCMach1 Sep 16 #4
And the reason that will never happen is the 40% or more Eliot Rosewater Sep 16 #7
Not when a tipping point is reached. Education matters little. However, age does... JCMach1 Sep 16 #14
I don't understand your conclusion based on citing these demographics. Eliot Rosewater Sep 16 #18
In terms of collective action, those countries that have experienced it at least since the Arab have demographically JCMach1 Sep 16 #23
We're not Nepal. The SS would kill all of us first. LeftInTX Sep 16 #20
And who is going to do that? Crunchy Frog Sep 16 #17
Sadly, he's not insane. Just fucking evil. Oneironaut Sep 16 #70
I share your dread. nt Ferryboat Sep 16 #3
Democracy is being dismantled at a breakneck speed. BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 16 #12
Project 2025 is the blueprint they're following. rubbersole Sep 16 #35
Yes, those of us who were yelling about this eight years ago Eliot Rosewater Sep 16 #5
The worst enabler was banned FHRRK Sep 16 #9
Unfortunately everyone here is in extreme and immediate danger and it's actually going to happen now Eliot Rosewater Sep 16 #11
There is a historical record that set The Wizard Sep 16 #6
When the Soviet Union collapsed markodochartaigh Sep 16 #37
Arter the election of 2016, I did something I always used to advise against. DFW Sep 16 #43
In late 2002 markodochartaigh Sep 16 #46
Lots of big talk, but so far little real action Fiendish Thingy Sep 16 #8
Well the thing is... LuckyCharms Sep 16 #10
It's literally been less than a week. It takes time to ramp these things up. Crunchy Frog Sep 16 #22
Trump is blowing up Venezuelans Skittles Sep 16 #24
Oil and other resources. mwmisses4289 Sep 16 #29
He heard Volodymyr Zelenskyy say that there would be no elections while amerikat Sep 16 #34
that's what I think, too Skittles Sep 16 #40
This - exactly JustAnotherGen Sep 16 #49
Little real action, eh? Torchlight Sep 16 #55
On that specific issue Fiendish Thingy Sep 16 #62
The fascists are worshiping a dead troll while Democrats cower in fear dalton99a Sep 16 #13
And literally playing the old NAZI... Horst Wessel tune JCMach1 Sep 16 #25
This rang true to me 3 months ago and far more so now AdamGG Sep 16 #47
Yeats markodochartaigh Sep 16 #39
I can never read that without Joni Mitchell singing it in my head. 😎 travelingthrulife Sep 16 #61
They were ready and waiting to take any spark that presented itself. Crunchy Frog Sep 16 #15
Not much different than the past several months. LeftInTX Sep 16 #16
Yes, of course. H2O Man Sep 16 #19
l notice the posters who said we were wrong are no longer posting Coventina Sep 16 #21
Here's what probably prompted this post. LuckyCharms Sep 16 #26
Exactly ! Most are NOT engaged... Bread and Circuses Sep 16 #32
The closer to Epstein, the more they whine. usonian Sep 16 #27
I know this was hard for you to write. Bread and Circuses Sep 16 #31
I advocate peaceful resistance usonian Sep 16 #36
No One is coming to save us. ... I'm a peaceful person but I cannot lie. We are way past the tipping-point. CrispyQ Sep 16 #65
About Kamala Harris.. John4P Sep 16 #69
Yep! I have written to my senators Many Times.... Bread and Circuses Sep 16 #71
Maybe. I don't know if it's faster or if there's just more of it, Ocelot II Sep 16 #28
Another trigger for me today was the fact that people are worrying that LuckyCharms Sep 16 #30
I miss the days when I could call every Senator in an afternoon. Hope22 Sep 16 #33
Reading that the twisted pos Stephen Miller is going after the "left terror network"... rubbersole Sep 16 #38
The threats against the Non-MAGA world are just part of the escalation. pat_k Sep 16 #41
The more Republicans turn on him, the more desperate "they" will get. Buddyzbuddy Sep 16 #42
History doesn't always repeat herself. Shipwack Sep 16 #44
The apartment complex I live in has had its flag at half staff since Friday AdamGG Sep 16 #45
Wow! I used those same words several times over the last few days. BigmanPigman Sep 16 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 16 #50
Welcome to du Emile Sep 16 #51
Full stop? I think you'll be "full-stopped" in a minute, you one post wonder. LuckyCharms Sep 16 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 16 #57
MIRT whack-a-troll RandomNumbers Sep 16 #58
They're very quick. Kudos to MIRT! LuckyCharms Sep 16 #59
It's not just you - agree with all you just wrote and posted Pachamama Sep 16 #53
K&R spanone Sep 16 #54
Miller smells blood. underpants Sep 16 #56
Me too. I have a bad feeling Kirk was the sacrificial lamb Trump chose to start his travelingthrulife Sep 16 #60
Same here. I feel fear and rage and mostly dread. mountain grammy Sep 16 #63
"Trump is a cornered animal..." live love laugh Sep 16 #64
Don't forget that Trump apparently told Putin at their recent meeting "I will help you"... AntiFascist Sep 16 #66
Your concerns are spot on. yellow dahlia Sep 16 #67
They are losing followers at a rapid pace. They are going down in the polls. They cannot have the sex files become Clouds Passing Sep 16 #68
I don't think it's any worse than it has been. Elessar Zappa Sep 16 #72
nothing is going through Congress. WhiteTara Sep 16 #73

JCMach1

(28,989 posts)
4. Hate to say it, but there is no institutionalist approach that is going to work. The institutions have been perverted
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:12 AM
Sep 16

It is going to take collective action.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,163 posts)
7. And the reason that will never happen is the 40% or more
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:13 AM
Sep 16

Of the country that still have no clue what’s going on, unaware that there’s any real problem.

JCMach1

(28,989 posts)
14. Not when a tipping point is reached. Education matters little. However, age does...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:26 AM
Sep 16

America is an old country

The US population distribution by age shows that a large proportion of the population is in the working-age group (15-64 years), with about 64.75% in this category in 2024. There is a significant older adult population (65 and over), making up approximately 17.93% in 2024, and a smaller proportion of children and young people (0-14 years) at about 17.32%. This represents an aging nation, as the share of the population aged 65 and older has increased significantly over the last century...


Compare that to Nepal... which I only bring up because a spontaneous revolt just overthrew their government:

0-14 years: 28.71%
15-64 years: 64.93%
65+ years: 6.36%

Eliot Rosewater

(34,163 posts)
18. I don't understand your conclusion based on citing these demographics.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:29 AM
Sep 16

Look at who didn’t vote and how many people didn’t vote when their literal life depended on it, none of them are going to react to this.

The piece of shit has the military and the weapons and a population of morons who have multiple guns.

I wish you were right that we would react to this and save ourselves, I just don’t see it happening.

JCMach1

(28,989 posts)
23. In terms of collective action, those countries that have experienced it at least since the Arab have demographically
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:39 AM
Sep 16

skewed much younger than the US.

We would literally need our own Gen Z revolt (see Kenya and Nepal for reference) and thought would have to reach critical mass/tipping point.

And it might be something tiny that sparks it. For example an African American female student was expelled from Texas Tech today because she tweaked a MAGA trolls hat.

Crunchy Frog

(28,055 posts)
17. And who is going to do that?
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:28 AM
Sep 16

Maybe if he deteriorates too much and they decide to take him out in a coup, but that won't benefit any of us.

rubbersole

(10,594 posts)
35. Project 2025 is the blueprint they're following.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:39 AM
Sep 16

Designed by think tanks over the last 20+ years. Financed by unlimited money. They told us- and a few listened and tried to warn the citizenry what they were doing. And their plan is working beyond their wildest dreams.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,163 posts)
5. Yes, those of us who were yelling about this eight years ago
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:12 AM
Sep 16

We are finally seeing what we knew would happen, happen.

I said we would all be either killed in prison or deported, and that’s happening starting now.

FHRRK

(1,208 posts)
9. The worst enabler was banned
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:19 AM
Sep 16

But agree, any comments suggesting we need to take it down to Repukes level, kick some ass, never apologize, were immediately alerted or called out as divisive.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,163 posts)
11. Unfortunately everyone here is in extreme and immediate danger and it's actually going to happen now
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:21 AM
Sep 16

But even with all this I still can’t get one “I’ll have to hold my nose to vote for Hillary and make sure everyone knows how much I hate her so they won’t bother to vote at all“ person to ask for forgiveness for acting like that. They need to apologize and ask all of us to forgive them for making this happen.

The Wizard

(13,402 posts)
6. There is a historical record that set
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:13 AM
Sep 16

the model for chaos and disaster capitalism. The nation's treasure is being looted. A cartel if you will.

markodochartaigh

(4,117 posts)
37. When the Soviet Union collapsed
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:50 AM
Sep 16

and mobs of US banksters and Wall Streeters invaded Russia, Russia was stripped of its assets which were taken by oiligarchs. That is what will happen in the US, including the reserve currency status of the dollar.

DFW

(58,978 posts)
43. Arter the election of 2016, I did something I always used to advise against.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:21 AM
Sep 16

I bought gold and kept it. I didn’t sell any of my meager stock holdings, and none of all this is of any significance on a big scale, but rather a purely symbolic one. After all, that share of Berkshire Hathaway that my friend badgered me into buying in 1998, already at five times the purchase price in 2017, is now four times the price it was in 2017. Even so, slow, plodding, non-interest-bearing gold is three times the price it was in January of 2017.

When Bill Clinton left office in 2001, the price of gold had plunged to about $250 an ounce. Today, it’s at $3680. An ounce of gold is just the same now as it was in 2001. It’s a small hunk of metal that you can’t eat, live in, or use to make your car run. That it is now worth fourteen times as many dollars now as it was when Bill Clinton left office says a lot more about the value of the dollar than it does about that piece of metal.

markodochartaigh

(4,117 posts)
46. In late 2002
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:36 AM
Sep 16

a nurse at work told me that I should buy Priceline stock. He was not a hard working nurse in my opinion and I gave short shrift to his advice. I remember telling him that I was not going to buy his $2 stock. He said it was $3 this week. Of course I was familiar with the William Shatner commercials and that supposedly Shatner was not happy with his payments which were in stock. Priceline rose to more than $2,000 before I retired and now is around $6,000. Also in 2010 I read about a scam in a tech magazine. The scam was called bitcoin and they were selling thin air for a few cents.

My view is that monetary policy of the country with the reserve currency has been so lax that all of the decent investments have had their prices inflated to the point where they are no longer decent investments. So now we have the era of speculation. Of course Trump's war on the dollar is going to be a real nightmare I think.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,850 posts)
8. Lots of big talk, but so far little real action
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:15 AM
Sep 16

As far as the “locking up the libs” project goes.

Remember, we’re dealing with incompetent buffoons here, so there will be lots of FOX sound bites that go viral, and likely little else.

Meanwhile, ICE runs rampant…

LuckyCharms

(20,638 posts)
10. Well the thing is...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:21 AM
Sep 16

it's not just talk.

Human rights are being violated.

People in boats are getting blown up without any due process at all.

Insane and non-sensical tariffs, which are supposed to be authorized by Congress are being implemented at the whim of a deranged man who has no fucking idea what he is doing. He lives in a fantasy world. The economy is getting wrecked, people are being killed already, and many of us are living under duress already.

There is one thing I've learned the past 10 years...whenever we say it can't happen, it happens. No matter how unseemly.

Crunchy Frog

(28,055 posts)
22. It's literally been less than a week. It takes time to ramp these things up.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:34 AM
Sep 16

Even if you look at the history of Nazi Germany and Stalinist russia.

Skittles

(167,654 posts)
24. Trump is blowing up Venezuelans
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:42 AM
Sep 16

we all know he doesn't give a FUCK about the drug trade so what is his REAL reason?

mwmisses4289

(2,304 posts)
29. Oil and other resources.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:02 AM
Sep 16

He tried going after Canada and Greenland, but the U.K. and E.U. made clear that they had no qualms kicking his butt if he tried. So he (and those who mistakenly believe they control him) are going after what they see as an easier target. Here again, he is in for a surprise: at least two countries, and possibly Brazil, have indicated that if he continues they will have no qualms in siding with Venezuela.

amerikat

(5,154 posts)
34. He heard Volodymyr Zelenskyy say that there would be no elections while
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:25 AM
Sep 16

Ukraine was at war. It's in their constitution. Trump thinks the same thing applies in the US.
He's a fucking moron.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,850 posts)
62. On that specific issue
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 09:56 AM
Sep 16

Plenty of chaos and destruction to go around, but they haven’t dared to send their unmarked vans around to pick up Schumer, Jeffries, “woke” celebrities and anyone saying bad things about Charlie Kirk.

They are testing the limits of their attempts at verbal intimidation; so far, only the media and a few private companies are taking the bait.

dalton99a

(90,380 posts)
13. The fascists are worshiping a dead troll while Democrats cower in fear
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:24 AM
Sep 16

And every day brings more chaos and destruction

JCMach1

(28,989 posts)
25. And literally playing the old NAZI... Horst Wessel tune
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:44 AM
Sep 16

If someone sings a f'ing song about Chuck, I am seriously going to make sure I have a plan B and C in place to GTFO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel

Wessel's funeral was given wide attention in Berlin, with many of the Nazi elite in attendance. After his death, he became a propaganda symbol in Nazi Germany. A march for which he had written the lyrics was renamed the "Horst-Wessel-Lied" ("Horst Wessel Song&quot , and became the official anthem of the Nazi Party. After Adolf Hitler came to national power in 1933, the song became the co-national anthem of Germany, along with the first verse of the previous "Deutschlandlied", also known as "Deutschland über alles".

markodochartaigh

(4,117 posts)
39. Yeats
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:53 AM
Sep 16

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Crunchy Frog

(28,055 posts)
15. They were ready and waiting to take any spark that presented itself.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:27 AM
Sep 16

And yes, this really does feel like a turning point. And I feel like our leaders are mostly cowards who are too afraid to speak out, or of getting caught up in the coming witch hunt.

LeftInTX

(34,006 posts)
16. Not much different than the past several months.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:28 AM
Sep 16

They're just managing to rally a bunch of troops because of Charlie Kirk.

H2O Man

(77,962 posts)
19. Yes, of course.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:29 AM
Sep 16

Recommended.


Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
-- Yeats, The Second Coming

Coventina

(28,741 posts)
21. l notice the posters who said we were wrong are no longer posting
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:30 AM
Sep 16

Either they realized we were right, or it was coming from somewhere eslse.

LuckyCharms

(20,638 posts)
26. Here's what probably prompted this post.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:49 AM
Sep 16

We are very politically astute here.

I posed a question to myself tonight.

What if I were completely apolitical? Like it or not, most of the people in the US are apolitical. They don't give a shit about politics They are uninformed voters, even if they happen to vote because they feel like it is their duty...they are actually uninformed.

So what if I were indeed apolitical?

I would see what Vance, Patel, Trump et al are saying, AND I WOULD BELIEVE IT.

And that is what is scaring the shit out of me. We don't have a strong counter-narrative.

Bread and Circuses

(1,181 posts)
32. Exactly ! Most are NOT engaged...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:23 AM
Sep 16

They don’t want to examine the facts, read or think critically.

We have idiots all around us.

usonian

(20,783 posts)
27. The closer to Epstein, the more they whine.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:57 AM
Sep 16






He's a cornered rat.

What does the cornered rat fear?

Bread and Circuses

(1,181 posts)
31. I know this was hard for you to write.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:22 AM
Sep 16

I, too have been sounding the alarms since June 2024 when TACO won the RAT nomination.

I did all that I could do to elect VP HARRIS. I don’t know how she lost and yes I’m suspicious.


The D Party leadership was flat -footed and there’s no unified response to all the shite that happens every single day,
Every single day brings another kick in the stomach.

This is a Fascist Regime. The coup has already happened in the first 6 months. Now , they will chase us down, silence our voices and throw us into concentration camps.

I’m ready to leave my blood on the streets. A polite response will not work. Protesting alone will not work.
The Gestapo can only be defeated by Force. I don’t know how it can be done.

The Republicans control everything and the media and corporate America are going along with it all.
Traitors everywhere.

I hold every single Republican voter responsible. All 77 MILLION. They are our enemy. Period.
I don’t want to hear about the crying farmers or any of them saying that they regret their vote.

Don’t believe them, they will continue to vote for republicans because they have Hate in their Veins.
They KNEW who he was and voted for the suffering of others.

We are in Phase 2 and the billionaires are rooting for mass arrests and concentration camps. They want it ALL, they want everything here and around the globe.

The military or police will not help us.

No One is coming to save us.

We should die standing up as FREE women and men , rather than be ‘occupied ‘ by the evilness that is spreading around the country.

Alas, the people under 40 can’t be bothered. That’s where we are.

And, I fully expect that once the Fascists have made the Constitution irrelevant and stopped dissent They will go to WAR ….I don’t know where. But I hope all those 77 million republican voters are the first to be conscripted and left behind on the battlefield.

I’m sorry.
I’m a peaceful person but I cannot lie. We are way past the tipping-point.


usonian

(20,783 posts)
36. I advocate peaceful resistance
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:40 AM
Sep 16

but that doesn't happen without coordination and leadership.

It is all grassroots, with a few brave leaders standing up.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13244015
A grassroots revolution is needed for the party to win.

I continue to post this and messages from grassroots organizations like indivisible who are doing the work that leaders are not doing.

That's the grassroots revolution.

I've been posting these crucial messages all day.

The "Sound of Silence" from leaders is going to get us all killed.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/13244034

Because inaction is fatal. And we have to act TOGETHER. You probably heard it. "If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately". Franklin.

Great explanation here.

https://fixquotes.com/quotes/if-we-do-not-hang-together-we-shall-surely-hang-25504.htm

Benjamin Franklin’s famous statement during the American Revolution highlights the vital importance of unity in the face of overwhelming adversity. The imagery hinges on the word "hang", offering both a literal and figurative warning. As Franklin and his fellow revolutionaries risked their lives challenging British rule, betrayal or failure could result in execution, hanging was a real threat. Figuratively, their fate as individuals was intertwined; mutual distrust or disunity would guarantee defeat and destruction, not only for their cause, but for themselves personally. Thus, cooperation wasn’t merely desirable; it was an absolute necessity for survival.

Franklin’s words speak to the power of collective action. By linking personal survival with collaboration, he frames unity as a form of self-preservation, dissolving barriers between individual interests and group purpose. No one could hope to evade consequences alone. Success was possible only through trust, open communication, and the willingness to compromise for the greater good.

The statement also underscores the dangers of isolation in critical moments. Division among those resisting oppression would only make it easier for an adversary to prevail, as a fractured resistance is vulnerable and easily segmented. The British, like any powerful opponent, could exploit dissent, offering deals to tempt individuals into abandoning the cause or turning against each other.

Moreover, Franklin’s warning has broader implications beyond the historical moment. Whenever people face formidable common challenges, be it in politics, social movements, or even within organizations, individual ambition and infighting weaken the group’s efficacy. Unity amplifies strength, while discord dissipates it. Only through solidarity can sweeping change be accomplished and existential threats overcome.



CrispyQ

(40,259 posts)
65. No One is coming to save us. ... I'm a peaceful person but I cannot lie. We are way past the tipping-point.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:09 PM
Sep 16

Sobering, but well said.

I believe we are going to have to slog through this & I'm not going to be a good German. I do believe a ton of people are apolitical & don't pay attention, but by Christmas I think those people won't be buying all the bullshit Trump tries to peddle. What worries me is the 37% that continue to support Trump. I have yet to see his approval number drop below that.

This commentary was written in 2018 when the US was starting to separate families at the southern border. At one point O'Toole writes, "Forget “post-fascist” – what we are living with is pre-fascism." And here we are, seven years later, well into it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

Fintan O’Toole
Tue Jun 26 2018

snip...

Fascism doesn’t arise suddenly in an existing democracy. It is not easy to get people to give up their ideas of freedom and civility. You have to do trial runs that, if they are done well, serve two purposes. They get people used to something they may initially recoil from; and they allow you to refine and calibrate. This is what is happening now and we would be fools not to see it.

One of the basic tools of fascism is the rigging of elections – we’ve seen that trialled in the election of Trump, in the Brexit referendum and (less successfully) in the French presidential elections. Another is the generation of tribal identities, the division of society into mutually exclusive polarities. Fascism does not need a majority – it typically comes to power with about 40 per cent support and then uses control and intimidation to consolidate that power. So it doesn’t matter if most people hate you, as long as your 40 per cent is fanatically committed. That’s been tested out too. And fascism of course needs a propaganda machine so effective that it creates for its followers a universe of “alternative facts” impervious to unwanted realities. Again, the testing for this is very far advanced.

But when you’ve done all this, there is a crucial next step, usually the trickiest of all. You have to undermine moral boundaries, inure people to the acceptance of acts of extreme cruelty. Like hounds, people have to be blooded. They have to be given the taste for savagery. Fascism does this by building up the sense of threat from a despised out-group. This allows the members of that group to be dehumanised. Once that has been achieved, you can gradually up the ante, working through the stages from breaking windows to extermination.


Immigrants & trans are who they started with but the rest of us are on the list, too.

John4P

(3 posts)
69. About Kamala Harris..
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:53 PM
Sep 16
I did all that I could do to elect VP HARRIS. I don’t know how she lost


In 2024, the leftist grassroots energy in the streets was for a pro-Palestine / anti-Israel position. There were huge rallies around the country.

Kamala Harris didn't embrace the zeitgeist (spirit of the times), she didn't pickup the easy gift, the left didn't turn out for her, and she lost the election.

Meanwhile in the 2025 NYC Mayoral Dem Primary, obscure nobody Zohran Mamdani did embrace the pro-Palestine / anti-Israel position, the left turned out for him, and he won a massive upset victory over the better funded, political dynasty candidate Andrew Cuomo.

Lesson: Read the crowd, and turn out your base.

Bread and Circuses

(1,181 posts)
71. Yep! I have written to my senators Many Times....
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:27 PM
Sep 16

About the continued military funding that brutal assault on Palestine. All funding must stop!

I am not anti-Semitic . I wish peace and happiness for all people in the MidEast.

Each day brings more horrors in Gaza.

We all have blood of children on our hands.

Ocelot II

(127,364 posts)
28. Maybe. I don't know if it's faster or if there's just more of it,
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:59 AM
Sep 16

but it's very weird and very bad and I don't know how it will shake out.

LuckyCharms

(20,638 posts)
30. Another trigger for me today was the fact that people are worrying that
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:03 AM
Sep 16

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THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A VACCINE!!!

Who would have imagined that?

They are going scorched earth from all angles.

And that's what us Dems need to do. We need that mindset. Scorched earth...from all angles.

Hope22

(4,178 posts)
33. I miss the days when I could call every Senator in an afternoon.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:24 AM
Sep 16

A person would answer the phone and actually talk. It didn’t matter if I lived in their state or not. Now a call to the two senators for my state only and they are R’s so there is no real benefit to the call. It feels hopeless and exhausting. I have never had a response to an email that made me feel heard. It certainly has been a wild ride! Take care!💗🙏🏼

rubbersole

(10,594 posts)
38. Reading that the twisted pos Stephen Miller is going after the "left terror network"...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:52 AM
Sep 16

..is beyond Orwellian. He's going to use the DOJ and DHS to go after something that doesn't exist. Wide scale chaos is the goal so they can use it to declare martial law.

pat_k

(11,854 posts)
41. The threats against the Non-MAGA world are just part of the escalation.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:07 AM
Sep 16

I fear the consequences to groups that oppose MAGA. I fear the consequences to blue cities. The 47 regime will invade and use the levers of Federal government in whatever way they are allowed to get away with in their effort to bring the non-MAGA world to heel. And we ARE resisting. They are advancing. But they are also losing on a number of fronts.

Yes, things on the domestic front are unfolding at breakneck speed.

But as Rachel's show tonight pointed out. There is also trouble brewing that has global consequences.

Russia is on the move.

Last week Putin sent drones into Poland to menace our NATO ally.
47 regime does nothing. ("Maybe it was a mistake" )

This weekend they sent drones into Romania to menace them.
Again, no response from the 47 regime.

Today, another Russian drone was intercepted over capital buildings in Warsaw.

Russia and Belarus just started military exercises over the border from Poland in Belarus.
47's response? Lifting sanctions on Belarus's national airline, announcing we may be reopening our Embassy in Belarus, and sending U.S military observers to watch the exercises, as if these guys are our allies.

I don't think we are yet on the brink of WWWIII, but we are heading there. And perhaps the most terrifying part is at this point, if war breaks out, I have no idea what the regime will do. Sit it out or try to figure a way to get in it as an ally of Russia.

If the latter happens, I really do think that would be the straw the wakes people the F up.

But what do I know.

All I know is that 47 is on the march here, as are all authoritarians, and is destabilizing the global order.




Buddyzbuddy

(1,523 posts)
42. The more Republicans turn on him, the more desperate "they" will get.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:19 AM
Sep 16

They need to get past a point of no return before they can relax.
"They" are those that created project 2025, those that are moving the chess pieces, those that have money and power to lose if the Felon falls before they're ready. Thiel, Musk, Koch, Miller, Vance and maybe Putin.
My theory is the timetable is getting moved up because they didn't forsee the Epstein issue sticking. They are trying to distract and take advantage of C.K.'s untimely demise. At the same time they are tying up the Felon's schedule. They are taking advantage of the chaos that has been created. They are also trying to use C.K.'s death to rile up the base so Republicans forget about the Epstein files.

Those are just the broadstrokes.

Shipwack

(2,861 posts)
44. History doesn't always repeat herself.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:23 AM
Sep 16

Sometimes she just smacks you with a two by four and yells,”Weren’t you paying attention the first time?!”

AdamGG

(1,791 posts)
45. The apartment complex I live in has had its flag at half staff since Friday
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:28 AM
Sep 16

I'm looking to move out and need a reference and don't see much to gain in going off to the manager about it. The fucking President has ordered flags to be at half staff for a hate-monger/provocateur whose schtick was to debate 19 year olds rather than knowledgeable adults who would demolish him. Eight months ago, the same President ordered flags not to be at half staff for Jimmy Carter.

Before Kirk, troops were already being deployed in DC with talk of Chicago and others on the horizon, but now Charlie Kirk somehow amps up their sense of justification for it. The media is wholly complicit in not calling out Kirk's actual record, but the corporations that own them have been systematically manipulated, intimidated and assaulted, along with the country's most powerful law firms and universities. And, the tripled ICE budget hasn't even kicked in yet.

Trump isn't capable of masterminding this. This was pre-designed by the Project 2025 plutocrats and Trump and his cabinet of eager sycophants seem to have no boundary beyond which they're not willing to take it. Looking at the facial experssions of Kash Patel and the people on the dais with him during a press conference is full on dystopian.

The scariest part to me is how they're redistricting states by openly declaring that they need to rig the deck because otherwise they might lose. They're not even trying to create another rationale. They're claiming that the other side is so evil that they need to undo democracy to prevent them from taking power. And, the media, not just right wing outlets, but all media is presenting it as something that's just another story and is potentially reasonable and that maybe Gavin Newsom in responding to it is the one that's unreasonable.

I will fight it with everything I have, though even I feel impotent in confronting the management of my apartment building about the fucking flag.

BigmanPigman

(53,832 posts)
48. Wow! I used those same words several times over the last few days.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:06 AM
Sep 16

I talk to myself and I am a very intuitive person. I haven't just been saying it about the current political events either.

I've said it aloud throughout the day and night when I notice something "odd", like "synchronicity". I'm making random connections much, much more than normal. It's funny you mentioned it. I'm glad I'm not alone. It IS unsettling.

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Pachamama

(17,479 posts)
53. It's not just you - agree with all you just wrote and posted
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 09:00 AM
Sep 16

I’m in Germany - just was talking to a historian here who asked me point blank if Americans don’t see what is happening and why aren’t they speaking out more and why there is so much capitulation.

He flat out said we are falling into fascism faster than Nazi Germany did in the 1930’s and those who oppose don’t have much time left.

travelingthrulife

(3,338 posts)
60. Me too. I have a bad feeling Kirk was the sacrificial lamb Trump chose to start his
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 09:48 AM
Sep 16

civil war. That last suck-up session Kirk had with Trump must have been where he received Trump's mobster 'kiss of death'

AntiFascist

(13,646 posts)
66. Don't forget that Trump apparently told Putin at their recent meeting "I will help you"...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:19 PM
Sep 16

The Right needs to understand that his actions are doing the complete opposite of Making America Great.

yellow dahlia

(3,158 posts)
67. Your concerns are spot on.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:20 PM
Sep 16

I have expressed many of the same sentiments.

YES! - "We need press conferences. We need notable Dems to be on the TV as much as possible, waking people up, and telling the media personalities to their faces, on live TV, that they are full of shit with their "both-siderism".

Clouds Passing

(5,881 posts)
68. They are losing followers at a rapid pace. They are going down in the polls. They cannot have the sex files become
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 04:41 PM
Sep 16

front and center again. They are afraid and they feel the need to take full control. They are losing and they know it.

Elessar Zappa

(16,362 posts)
72. I don't think it's any worse than it has been.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 08:34 PM
Sep 16

This will burn itself out in a few weeks and they’ll be on to the latest outrage. But Trump can’t get away from Epstein…

WhiteTara

(31,067 posts)
73. nothing is going through Congress.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 11:35 PM
Sep 16

TSF is using Executive Orders and that makes everything go much, much faster.

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