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42. It's really the only explanation I can come up with

Thu Sep 11, 2025, 03:49 PM

Sep 11

From what I've seen on the videos, it was nearly perfect conditions, no meaningful wind…and while he was shooting from an elevated position, the angle wasn't enough to make more than a few tenths of an inch difference. I looked at a ballistics chart (Federal 168 GMM) and at 200 yards with a 20˚ depression, 100 yard zero, the shot would be 3.8" low.

Which is almost exactly what I measured from my temple to my throat, 3.9".

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The human neck is small from 600 ft away!! [View all] uponit7771 Sep 11 OP

The neck is also a poor choice of a target. RockRaven Sep 11 #1

Agreed...nothing authorizes the unstated premise that this guy hit what he was aiming at Prairie Gates Sep 11 #2

If you sever the spinal column game over Keepthesoulalive Sep 11 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 11 #6

Shooters trained to kill never aim for the throat. sir pball Sep 11 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 11 #23

A 30.06 to the neck orangecrush Sep 11 #24

I'm not saying it's not lethal sir pball Sep 11 #28

Massive cavitation orangecrush Sep 11 #29

Eh, not with a .30 cal in that soft tissue sir pball Sep 11 #32

And yet they did. Groundhawg Sep 11 #38

Facts not in evidence. sir pball Sep 11 #40

Fact is the hit was where the shooter aimed for. There is zero proof otherwise. Groundhawg Sep 11 #41

The shooter hit where the shooter hit. sir pball Sep 11 #47

the evidence clearly shows, the shooter hit precisely where he aims. Groundhawg Sep 11 #51

What evidence? n/t Ms. Toad Sep 11 #62

The event that occured. Groundhawg Sep 11 #63

So you can tell from the event that occurred us where he was hit. Ms. Toad Sep 11 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 11 #72

Agreed. I doubt he was aiming for the neck. surfered Sep 11 #31

This is what I think, too ms liberty Sep 11 #37

The shooter could have been trying to hit the trap area between the neck and shoulder. taxi Sep 11 #7

The shooter might have aimed for the neck and the carotid artery. Vinca Sep 11 #15

A highly skilled person, aka professional, would both choose well and hit what they were aiming for. sir pball Sep 11 #19

what if the highly skilled gun humping POS didn't want it to look highly skilled? Skittles Sep 11 #43

Hell, I'll play. As a reasonably skilled "gun-humping POS" sir pball Sep 11 #46

if he was hired, he'd never take that chance Skittles Sep 11 #48

If he were hired, he'd have gone for the apricot. sir pball Sep 11 #50

I think it's another gun humping coward Skittles Sep 11 #53

Agreed. sir pball Sep 11 #56

If they were hired just to take out Kirk misanthrope Sep 11 #68

"The spectacle was the target" is precisely why I think it wasn't a hired pro. sir pball Sep 11 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Sep 11 #44

The Russians tended to shoot people in the neck in executions. Turbineguy Sep 11 #52

He was supposed to hit the ear Fullduplexxx Sep 11 #59

Been reading articles all day by "expert marksman" who believed that Jack Valentino Sep 11 #90

The angle of the trajectory makes it a REALLY hard shot zuul Sep 11 #4

Not a Hard Shot OC375 Sep 11 #5

5x5 inch target from 600 feet is a hard shot for average human, with someone who knows how to shoot that's still a ... uponit7771 Sep 11 #12

5"X5" at 200 yards is almost 3MOA sir pball Sep 11 #16

The neck is not where a CoM shot would miss. sir pball Sep 11 #14

That is exactly what I had considered sarisataka Sep 11 #26

It's really the only explanation I can come up with sir pball Sep 11 #42

Yeah. 183 meters. US Army qualifying has 300 M shots underpants Sep 11 #55

What if he missed... lame54 Sep 11 #8

That's What I Think OC375 Sep 11 #35

That's most likely underpants Sep 11 #58

We don't know that's what he aimed for, but that said, it seems like someone of some skill. That's long distance. themaguffin Sep 11 #9

But, you see, while we know the point of entry of that bullet, MineralMan Sep 11 #10

True, but we can extrapolate to a certain extent. sir pball Sep 11 #18

I DO agree with you sir.... democratsruletheday Sep 11 #27

Oh, for sure sir pball Sep 11 #30

You're probably right. MineralMan Sep 11 #75

How do you know he was aiming for the neck? Kaleva Sep 11 #11

He was probably aiming for his giant head and missed Happy Hoosier Sep 11 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 11 #17

Jokes aside, you are right. sir pball Sep 11 #25

That's my thinking too. NT Happy Hoosier Sep 11 #36

... Crepuscular Sep 11 #45

Kirk probably moved his head just as the shooter fired... Wounded Bear Sep 11 #20

I used to hunt prairie dogs on ranches for population control sarisataka Sep 11 #22

A head shot with a slight miss... Sounds most logical. Norrrm Sep 11 #33

I'm assuming Kirk wasn't wearing a vest, but has that actually been asked and answered? hamsterjill Sep 11 #34

This was a deer shot, pure and simple indusurb Sep 11 #39

The .30 caliber M-1 carbine was the go to rifle in WW II for many of the troops. Botany Sep 11 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Sep 11 #57

A .30 caliber bullet to the neck will kill you just as dead as a .30-06 bullet. Botany Sep 11 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Sep 11 #64

Because the M-1 :30 caliber rifle is a perfect example of a :30 caliber weapon that is deadly @ 200 yards Botany Sep 11 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Sep 11 #67

He was trying for a head shot Greg_In_SF Sep 11 #54

That very well might be true. Botany Sep 11 #71

3.6 inches low at 200y for a 308 aimed for 100 yards sir pball Sep 11 #83

That was one sharp shooter Clouds Passing Sep 11 #60

Many hunters are quite capable of such a shot. Kaleva Sep 11 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 11 #73

That's possible Kaleva Sep 11 #74

I never knew there were so many sniper experts on DU. Gimpyknee Sep 11 #76

He Was Wearing a Vest Deep State Witch Sep 11 #77

It wouldn't have made any difference sarisataka Sep 11 #81

One person said the bullet struck the top edge of the vest and then up into the side of his neck. mackdaddy Sep 11 #82

Maybe they were aiming for his ear lobe. marble falls Sep 11 #78

do you literally think a skilled shooter cannot be progressive? Skittles Sep 11 #79

Oh I know they can be now, if ish hit the fan I'd rather they be progressive than MAGA uponit7771 Sep 11 #86

huh? Skittles Sep 11 #87

Oh, context of my reply wasn't related to shooting people for stupid reasons. uponit7771 Sep 11 #88

Adding this malaise Sep 11 #80

killer missed his head + lucked out. or, oops, i meant to wing him. pansypoo53219 Sep 11 #84

IMO. They were aiming for the neck. roamer65 Sep 11 #85

I was regularly hitting targets smaller than that when I was 18 NickB79 Sep 11 #89