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paleotn

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5. Numbers of ships a navy has, even total tonnage, isn't necessarily a measure of power. Capabilities are.
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 07:27 PM
Aug 31

The US has less than half the tonnage in warships we had in 1945. But that doesn't equate to a weakening of US Naval power by any means. US warships are vastly more capable and versatile than they've ever been.

The Chinese have more commissioned vessels, but less than 3/4 of the US Navy's total tonnage of ~4.7 million tons. That equates to lots of smaller ships, still a "brown water" focus, and not yet capable of power projection across oceans. A "blue water" navy.

They may get there relatively quickly in terms of tonnage, but experience is the biggest problem and not easily learned. We have over a century on them in that regard. Then there's the geography problem. They're hemmed in by US and allied bases and assets from Japan to the Philippines. Then there's the Strait of Malacca. Major choke point. Like Russia, geography is not their friend, making blue water power projection far more difficult than it is for us.

Short answer, they may have more ships but if they've not yet learned how to operate their navy effectively, they're just building more targets. At least from the view of an old submariner. Target rich environment.

Then again, the Brits probably said the same about us circa 1920. Back then, in addition to a possible conflict with Japan, our primary naval adversary was Great Britain. Things changed a lot between then and 1941. Where this current rivalry will go is anyone's guess.

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We will most likely lose our standing in a lot of ways real soon. Signs like this are going up a lot lately Deuxcents Aug 31 #1
More from the BBC nitpicked Aug 31 #3
And from AP nitpicked Aug 31 #4
I don't like this Us vs Them vibe these articles/news gives me Deuxcents Aug 31 #7
But it really is Us vs. Them and has been for a long time DavidDvorkin Aug 31 #9
Yes, but this saber rattling is happening when we're so unprepared and our experienced military leaders Deuxcents Aug 31 #10
They are indeed taking advantage DavidDvorkin Aug 31 #12
Many of those ships sabbat hunter Aug 31 #2
Bingo. Capabilities, not numbers. Plus, China has a host of other problems they can't simply build their way out of. paleotn Aug 31 #6
Numbers of ships a navy has, even total tonnage, isn't necessarily a measure of power. Capabilities are. paleotn Aug 31 #5
Obama tried to tell us. Hillary Clinton tried to tell us. Hekate Aug 31 #8
Tell us what? paleotn Aug 31 #13
Historically, naval dominance isn't about military power. Morbius Aug 31 #11
These articles . . . . DarthDem Aug 31 #14
The endless pissng contests between wannabee "Great Leaders" lead ordinary people to their graves. Ping Tung Sep 1 #15
China will be the only existing superpower in the world JI7 Sep 1 #16
I can understand countries wanting to secure their economic rights in the face of Trumps shakedown attempts. David__77 Sep 1 #17
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