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Mossfern

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28. I had to look it up

Sun Jul 27, 2025, 08:04 PM

Jul 27

What has been called ‘Holocaust Inversion’ involves an inversion of reality (the Israelis are cast as the ‘new’ Nazis and the Palestinians as the ‘new’ Jews), and an inversion of morality (the Holocaust is presented as a moral lesson for, or even a moral indictment of ‘the Jews’). More: those who object to these inversions are told – as they were by David Ward – that they are acting in bad faith, only being concerned to deflect criticism of Israel. In short, the Holocaust, an event accurately described by Dan Diner as a ‘rupture in civilisation,’ organised by a regime that, as the political philosopher Leo Strauss observed, ‘had no other clear principle except murderous hatred of the Jews,’ is now being used, instrumentally, as a means to express animosity towards the homeland of the Jews. ‘The victims have become perpetrators’ is being heard more and more. That is Holocaust Inversion.

https://fathomjournal.org/holocaust-inversion-and-contemporary-antisemitism/

For those who, like me, didn't know the exact definition.
Or maybe I'm the only one?

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CAM (Combat Antisemitism Movement) weekly antisemitism report: 250% surge in Holocaust denial [View all] Beastly Boy Jul 27 OP

I fear the Netanyahu government has destroyed 75 years of goodwill towards Israel. walkingman Jul 27 #1

Jewish people must not be held responsible for Israel's crimes. David__77 Jul 27 #2

I agree 100%, it is sad an attack on innocent people has turned into this. walkingman Jul 27 #3

In the past, the world never witnessed a genocide in real time on their phones womanofthehills Jul 27 #10

You nailed it. Never before were people dumb enough to learn about genocide from what they see on their phones. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #15

I think the poster was referring to the ease of dissemination carpetbagger Jul 27 #26

You are right, ease of dissemination itself is bias neutral. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #30

... lapucelle Jul 28 #35

The Netanyahu government is not the only player in destroying good will towards Israel. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #4

Israel discredits itself through its criminal actions. David__77 Jul 27 #5

So do Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Russia and China. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #7

Israel is our ally. carpetbagger Jul 27 #21

So is Saudi Arabia. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #24

SA is transactional, Turkey is a somewhat decent comparison carpetbagger Jul 27 #34

I don't consider America JustAnotherGen Jul 29 #51

Yes. Where are the protests? mcar Jul 27 #22

This! mcar Jul 27 #33

Today in Gaza. 😢😢😢 from X -DropSite News womanofthehills Jul 27 #8

Today's post you are replying to: Beastly Boy Jul 27 #9

It's all the dead and dying kids on our phones each day womanofthehills Jul 27 #12

There was never antisemitism before Netanyahu? Beastly Boy Jul 27 #14

69.2% far left mcar Jul 27 #6

With Israel creating a Holocaust in Gaza this kind of pushback is only going to get worse. Murdering babies has ImNotGod Jul 27 #11

Ever heard of Holocaust inversion? Beastly Boy Jul 27 #13

To be fair, that goes to Hamas as well EdmondDantes_ Jul 27 #17

What is not understandable is how many people feel angry about Israel's actions and no one else's. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #19

Except a sign saying "genocide is genocide" isn't Holocaust denialism and undercuts their claims. EdmondDantes_ Jul 27 #31

It doesn't surprise me anymore that documenting antisemitism is being dismissed as "scare inducing" Beastly Boy Jul 29 #42

Funny how you didn't actually respond to what I said EdmondDantes_ Jul 29 #46

Everything in my response is directly related to what you said. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #48

Given they are counting it as Holocaust denialism EdmondDantes_ Jul 29 #50

This is a bit cryptic, but let me try to make sense of it. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #52

I think it's perfectly understandable. The behavior is... illuminating. Oopsie Daisy Jul 29 #36

Illuminating to the exclusion of all others. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #40

It's not at all what I'd expect to see. It has been... disappointing. Oopsie Daisy Jul 29 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 27 #20

... but Israel sarisataka Jul 27 #16

Turns out you and I have been learning history from wrong textbooks. Apparently, it's what you see on your cell phone Beastly Boy Jul 27 #18

it couldn't be discussion threads like these that are driving those numbers higher. nah .... couldn't be Nimble_Idea Jul 29 #38

It could, actually. But I am not suggesting it does. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #47

Israel's denial of the Palestinian holocaust is no reason to deny the Jewish holocaust, or any other for that matter cadoman Jul 27 #23

Second Holocaust inversion in a single thread. Beastly Boy Jul 27 #25

how does one invert a holocaust? cadoman Jul 27 #27

I had to look it up Mossfern Jul 27 #28

fetch will never be a thing Nimble_Idea Jul 29 #39

Feel free to cite an alternative source that defines Holocaust inversion. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #45

Except that they did not do that. Eko Jul 27 #32

it appears that "holocaust inversion" is a charming re-packaging of strawman/labeling/verecundiam/populum fallacies cadoman Jul 29 #54

When you count saying Israel is commitining a genocide as well as being against Zionism antisemitism. Eko Jul 27 #29

when you can deny genocide in real time in the present, with your own eyes. what's there to bring up old stuff? Nimble_Idea Jul 29 #37

Look there, not here! Beastly Boy Jul 29 #41

There is no antisemitism on the left. nt LexVegas Jul 29 #43

Consider adding a sarcasm smilie to your post. Beastly Boy Jul 29 #44

"There's no such thing as Holocaust inversion", "Zionism is ridiculous", lapucelle Jul 29 #53