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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCAM (Combat Antisemitism Movement) weekly antisemitism report: 250% surge in Holocaust denial
Categorized by ideological motivation, 69.2% were Far-Left (90 incidents), 10.8% Islamist (14 incidents), 6.9% Far-Right (9 incidents), and 13.1% Unattributable (17 incidents).
Broken down by type, 73.1% were Anti-Israel/Anti-Zionism (95 incidents), 7.7% Classical Antisemitism (10 Incidents), 8.5% Unattributable (11 incidents), 5.4% Islamist (7 incidents), and 5.4% Holocaust Minimization/Denial (7 incidents).
Summary of Events Over the Last Week:
Holocaust Inversion on Rise Worldwide
The Antisemitism Research Center (ARC) by CAM recorded a 250% increase this week in incidents involving Holocaust distortion, denial, or trivialization. Many included outrageous comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany, amounting to Holocaust inversion.

walkingman
(9,638 posts)How could this possibly end well?
David__77
(24,385 posts)walkingman
(9,638 posts)womanofthehills
(10,104 posts)Is Netanyu just too old or evil to realize conquences of this?
All my Jewish friends are pro Palestine and Ive seen no anti semitism here in NM. In fact - most young kids are of mixed races now. My 3 best Jewish girlfriends out here all married Hispanic men and their kids identify as more Hispanic. The young dont pay much attention to race as older people do. If I asked my grandkids if they had Jewish friends , they would not even know what I was talking about. Might be different in NY - but seeing no antisemitism out west.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Long ago, we used to learn what genocide is from competent sources. That was the time when the term "genocide" meant something. Not anymore.
carpetbagger
(5,321 posts)The world gets it in real time. That's good news, and hopefully the world will get a timely heads up like we didn't have in Cambodia, '30s Ukraine, or with the Holocaust.
I'm a doctor, I do trust MSF's first-hand reports of the situation.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)It can be used for quick heads up.
It can also be used for quick proliferation of false information.
In this particular case, I was referring to the speed and ease with which previously meaningful terms can be robbed of their intended meaning.
lapucelle
(20,427 posts) The Numbers
The latest figures from the Anti-Defamation League, released today, show there were 47 antisemitic incidents in New Mexico in 2024 the highest recorded in the state since ADL began tracking such data in 1979. That compares to 31 incidents the previous year. The second-highest level on record was 42 incidents in 1992.
Jews alone cant stop the multifaceted hate targeting our communities, says Juan Dircie, director of the Jewish Community Relations Coalition of New Mexico. We need everyone to recognize antisemitism for the true threat it is not only to Jews, but to our entire society. All New Mexicans must push back against this hate.
The New Mexico figures, broken down, show 41 incidents of anti-Jewish harassment and six vandalism incidents reported in 2024.
https://www.nmjewishjournal.com/we-cannot-be-defined-by-the-hatred-of-others-antisemitism-here-and-now/
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Not even the major one.This has been a multi-year campaign that predates Netanyahu. And yes, China, Russia, Iran, their troll farms and proxies are the major contributors to it. Had been for decades.
And, despite plenty of evidence, everybody is acting as if they play no role in undermining and discrediting Israel.
David__77
(24,385 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)So do half of the UN member states, in many cases far worse. Many do so with their criminal actions against Israel. But none of them get the Israel treatment in the media and elsewhere.
Ever ask yourself why?
carpetbagger
(5,321 posts)We (and I may be talking about America before January 20th, but so be it) consider them like us, a Western, democratic society. We give them military assistance, both directly and indirectly.
We'd hold Canada up to the same standard.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)And Turkey. Hell, Turkey is a NATO member! Israel is not.
Who has been holding Turkey to the same standards in Syria and Iraq? Who has been holding SA to the same standard in Yemen?
carpetbagger
(5,321 posts)Turkey is a better comparison case here, and you have a point. I don't think it's right, but Western interest in Iraq and Syria is clouded by civil wars and American involvement, we've grown tired of the Kurds. I also think we view Israel as more democratic (Turkey having had multiple coups and now an authoritarian democracy) a closer ally (we really don't trust Turkey in World War III), and more Western, more like us. You're right about communications as well, in this case Kurdistan is more remote than Gaza and the West Bank.
JustAnotherGen
(36,039 posts)To be a Western Democratic Society. All January 20, 2025 did was rip the mask off of what we really are. AmeriKKKa. We are no beacon of light, no shining city on the hill. I don't see any difference between us and India's Caste System or Apartheid South Africa.
mcar
(44,989 posts)One can criticize what Israels government is doing and still wonder why horrible conditions elsewhere get ignored.
womanofthehills
(10,104 posts)🔴 REPORT | Total Carnage in Gaza Today: Aid-Seekers, Children Murdered as Starvation Deepens
At least 60 Palestinians have been killed across Gaza on Sunday, as Israeli soldiers shot dead 28 people seeking food near aid sites and injured more than 300.
Al Aqsa Hospital reported clusters of head and eye injuries among young boys seeking aid at the GHF site who appeared to have been deliberately targeted. A medical source at Al Aqsa Hospital told Drop Site that almost 200 injured, from minor to severe, arrived at the hospitalroughly 100 of them with injuries to the head or eyes, mostly from direct gunshot wounds.
The pattern echoes what British surgeon Nick Maynard previously described as a game Israeli soldiers play, targeting different body parts of Palestinians on different days.
BREAKDOWN OF ISRAELI ATTACKS
▪️ GHF Massacre Wadi Gaza: Al-Awda Hospital in Nuseirat received 13 bodies, including 4 children and a woman, and 113 wounded after Israeli forces opened fire near the GHF aid point on Salah al-Din Street in central Gaza. Al-Aqsa Hospital treated victims with cluster of head and eye injuries from the same incident. 5 were brought dead and over 200 injuries.
▪️Aid Massacre - Zikim Crossing
(The video is too graphic to post here)
(North): 7 shot and killed seeking aid. The dead and injured arrived at the Hamad EMS point before being transferred to Gaza City hospitals.
▪️ Widespread Attacks on Civilian Areas Across Gaza Al-Arabi TVs Islam Bader reports:
➤ 7 killed in bombing of tents in Al-Mawasi an area designated by Israel for a humanitarian pause
➤ 4 killed when a tent was struck in Deir al-Balah
➤ 1 killed in a strike on Al-Tuffah
➤ 5 killed in Al-Rimal, Gaza City, including a woman and her four children also inside a so-called humanitarian pause zone
➤ 1 killed near Al-Shama Mosque in Al-Zeitoun
➤ 4 killed near Al-Zeitoun Clinic
➤ 3 bodies recovered at the Indonesian Hospital in North Gaza
▪️Humanitarian coordinator Eyad Amawi says no aid trucks entered Gaza from the south today, despite Israeli claims of new corridors. Gaza Civil Defense reports only about 10 trucks entered from the northreiterating how extremely limited aid access remains, even as 6 Palestinians, including children, starved to death in the past 24 hours.
🎥 VIDEO: Palestinians seeking aid near GHF site in central Gaza earlier today
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)CAM (Combat Antisemitism Movement) weekly antisemitism report: 250% surge in Holocaust denial.
Stay on topic, or start your own thread.
womanofthehills
(10,104 posts)We have never seen anything like it. When I was a kid, I cried in a movie theater when Bambi died. Our kids are viewing dismembered children day after day. Its pure evil.
I cant get an image out of my mind that was on my phone from yesterday. A young boy about 9 or 10 lying on the dirt - both arms ripped off - but he was still alive crying. OMG! My great grandson is around that age and he has Hispanic and Arab ancestry. Children are not responsible for Oct 7!!!
Netanyahu is responsible for any antisemitism. American Jews I know are all pro Palestine.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)You don't say!
By all means, tell me all there is to know about antisemitism!
mcar
(44,989 posts)Guess there really is antisemitism on the left.
ImNotGod
(910 posts)consequences.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Look it up. You may find your post in its definition.
EdmondDantes_
(722 posts)Both sides have chosen horrific violence. And their choice of violence doesn't give us an excuse to do ugly things especially to unrelated people. Whether it was the idiot in Boulder throwing Molotov cocktails or the group of Jewish men trying to run down what they thought was a Palestinian woman in New York.
It's absolutely understandable to feel angry about Israel's actions and judge the country for them, but it doesn't justify threatening passengers on a cruise ship.
That said the group in the OP is playing loose with things. Pointing out that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza isn't Holocaust denial, and claiming a 250% increase in Holocaust denialism using that and a total of 7 incidents so they went from 3 to 7 or similar doesn't exactly match the dramatic headline. If they don't like the comparison between the Holocaust and what Israel is doing in Gaza, that's just being unwilling to look in the mirror honestly.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Also, the headline accurately reflects the study's finding, even though it may appear to be overly dramatic at first glance.
At the very least, the study shows that Holocaust denialism is alive and well, and that in itself is sufficiently disturbing.
EdmondDantes_
(722 posts)By claiming that qualifies as Holocaust denialism, they aren't an honest valid source in my opinion. There's plenty of real antisemitism that they don't need to be claiming that sort of thing. That they are, makes me question what else they are hiding in their "data" that wouldn't measure up to an objective criteria. Just because someone says something is x, doesn't actually make it true. I can tell you I'm a pink elephant and I assume you'd have the good sense to not believe me (because there's no way an elephant could type on a keyboard).
But that said, just brushing off that their statistics, even without accounting for the trivialization of the idea of Holocaust denialism, are portrayed to be scare inducing doesn't make me inclined to give them further benefit of the doubt. Sure they have a viewpoint (and that's fine), but it's still fearmongering.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)in the midst of self-evident explosion of Jew hatred all over the world. Nor does it surprise me anymore that institutions dedicated to documenting these incidents are being delegitimized. Nevertheless, skyrocketing antisemitic incidents are sure to induce fear, statistics or not, particularly in its targets.
I guess I am just another fearmonger needlessly concerned for my safety. Whew, I feel so relieved now!
EdmondDantes_
(722 posts)How is saying genocide is genocide Holocaust denialism? It's not and so counting it as such isn't valid. There is a significant increase in antisemitism, but that isn't part of it and claiming it is, discredits the organization claiming it. So yes, that is absolutely fearing because it's not accurate. And going from 2 to 7 incidents of alleged Holocaust denialism isn't really a large jump, especially given what they are counting doesn't qualify.
If they stuck to things like attacking cruise ship passengers for being Jewish, that's antisemitism and I wouldn't be saying that's wrong. Saying a thing you or the organization doesn't like because it is critical of Israel's policies in Gaza isn't Holocaust denialism. Notice how you haven't actually said how you think it is. You're relying at best on appeal to authority without acknowledging that the authority you're relying on is openly biased and they assert again without explaining how it qualifies as Holocaust denialism. It undercuts the real problem of people committing acts of violence against Jewish people for being Jewish. By mixing the two things, it's not giving a true understanding of the level of the problem, artificially inflating it.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)But to respond to what I left out, "genocide is genocide" in the abstract is not Holocaist denialism. and is pretty self-evident. It's like saying one equals one. I saw no need to respond to this truism.
However, if one implies that Israel is guilty of genocide in the same way Nazis are guilty of genocide, not only is it patently false, manipulative and nonsensical, it is certainly Holocaust inversion, which is a form of Holocaust denialism, and it certainly would count towards an increase in antisemitic incidents, and counting such incidents as Holocaust denialism adds credibility to CAM.
And going from 2 to 7 incidents is a jump of 250%. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to acknowledge it as a huge jump.
What I think it is or what you think it is does not affect the numbers. To mimic your "genocide is genocide" remark, antisemitism is antisemitism.
EdmondDantes_
(722 posts)That's kind of awkward to ignore on your part. Especially since you then proceed to continue to use it as Holocaust denialism. There's no logical consistency because you're starting from the conclusion and working backwards just like this organization is. You can't say admit that genocide is genocide isn't Holocaust denialism and still count it as Holocaust denialism.
Holocaust inversion as you're using it is patently false. If you're saying that nobody who has been victim of an ugly thing can then do an ugly thing, you're just not being honest. China has been the victim of ugly war crimes and are committing them against the Uyghurs. Holocaust inversion isn't a shield against the possibility that Israel is committing at the very least war crimes. It's an attempt to deny reality because you don't seem to be able to defend the actions you're distracting from.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Stating with the most obvious things in need of rebuttal:
I am far from saying that nobody who has been victim of an ugly thing can then do an ugly thing. But that is not what you are proposing. You make no distinction between war crimes and a particular war crime of genocide. You insist that one bad thing is equivalent in all respects to a far worse ugly thing associated with the Holocaust. In fact, you use the same term to describe the two to quite literally ("genocide is genocide" imply equivalency between them, even though the term you are using does not, by its proper definition, apply to a lesser ugly thing. THIS is dishonest. Hell yeah, it's Holocaust inversion by definition, and hell yeah, I would vociferously object to that! Holocaust denial is not limited to the patently abominable "there has never been a Holocaust" bullshit. Don't tell me that denying the uniqueness of any part of the Holocaust experience is not Holocaust denial.
With this in mind, your suggestion that I "attempt to deny reality because you don't seem to be able to defend the actions you're distracting from". is way too convoluted. I don't get what is the "reality" you are referring to is or the actions I am "distracting from" is. Clearly, the OP is depicts the reality of the actions I am focusing on. It is your posts that deflect from the report and question its validity on non-factual grounds. You are now deflecting to China and the Uygurs while suggesting that I am not being honest on the Holocaust, which you put among "other ugly things", thus reinforcing your belittlement of the Holocaust. I am reluctantly indulging you in this deflection, but I am far from promoting it. This is where your arguments get garbled, maybe intentionally, or maybe not.
To accuse me of using Holocaust inversion in a "patently false" manner (I am not even sure how you propose my use of Holocaust inversion deviates from the definition of the term), you had to first make a false presumption that I am saying something I never said or implied, and on that basis alone tell me that I am not being honest. That's a Strawman argument.
The rest of your propositions are too nonsensical to be addressed.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,321 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)All other behaviors, more deserving of illumination, are being ignored.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,321 posts)Response to ImNotGod (Reply #11)
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sarisataka
(21,872 posts)I fail to see how the actions of Netanyahu change the historical fact of Nazi atrocities but there is apparently a connection I am missing that allows history to be malleable.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)that is the go to source for all historical references.
Nimble_Idea
(2,727 posts)
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)cadoman
(1,559 posts)The Armenian genocide, the Holodomor, the Circassian genocide, the Kulak gernocide, the Tsarist Pogroms, Asian Holocaust, etc.
We'd all agree that the hostility towards Jewish peoples is unique in its extremity, and its no wonder they harbor a defensive mindset against Palestinian encroachment, but a holocaust is a holocaust and should be historically designated and observed.
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Is this a trend du jour on social media these days?
cadoman
(1,559 posts)It happens. We acknowledge it rather than deny it, and attempt to learn.
What is there to invert?
Mossfern
(4,202 posts)https://fathomjournal.org/holocaust-inversion-and-contemporary-antisemitism/
For those who, like me, didn't know the exact definition.
Or maybe I'm the only one?

Nimble_Idea
(2,727 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Eko
(9,553 posts)cadoman
(1,559 posts)1. Designated authorities label the argument that is perceived as a threat.
2. Proxies are dispersed to label people who use the argument, but instructed not to engage the point on its merits because it is not logically dismissable.
3. The arguer is threatened with punitive action for their wrongthink.
4. Shill accounts pile in and re-iterate to create a perception of populist consent for the label.
Unfortunately, I think this sort of logical discord is recognized by much of the general public..to the point that persons advancing this technique actually undermine their cause.
Eko
(9,553 posts)Then you will get a lot of numbers.
The whole being against Zionism equals antisemitism is ridiculous. Shoot, the concept of Zionism is ridiculous. Who else claims a right to live someplace they and their families have not lived in centuries? Do the descendants of Rome have a right to the land and to live in England? Do the Mexicans for California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas?
Nimble_Idea
(2,727 posts)lul
Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)I wish I had a nickel...
LexVegas
(6,888 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,196 posts)Chances are that your comment may be taken at its face value by some, leading to unwanted complications.
lapucelle
(20,427 posts)"Posting about anti-Semitism causes anti-Semitism", and "There is no anti-Semitism on the left."
Never again has officially arrived.