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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
80. In 2016 I watched his campaign with horror, and with equal horror the GOP's response...
Fri May 23, 2025, 12:34 AM
May 2025

Anyone remember the old “smoke-filled room” stories of the ultimate power of political bosses in back rooms? Old guys with cigars and scotch deciding that some populist wasn’t going to be good for the Party (or them) ? Stories about how a National Convention could be derailed from behind the scenes?

Well, they don’t exist any more, if indeed they ever really did. The GOP sat silent. The GOP powers sat silent when trump tried to set a howling mob on a young female reporter — and silent when he instructed the mob to throw out a protestor into the winter weather without a coat — and all the other things we saw with our own eyes.

The RNC nominating convention was like nothing I’ve ever seen before in my lifetime. A normal nominee says thank you and gives a speech about how we’re the shining city on the hill or similar. Hope and change. Brings out the wife and kids. Not trump. He trots out his American Carnage vision.

It was so bad that two reporter/analysts from MSNBC sat in the darkened ballroom among the fallen balloons — both of them longtime Republican operatives, just stunned. I don’t remember what Nicolle Wallace said, but I remember Steve Schmidt talked about the US Constitution and was choked with tears. They were in at the death.

Listen guys. I still thought we could pull off getting Hillary elected, right until she wasn’t, and I was alone and sick at heart without DU to turn to for days and days.

Every day since then that trump has been in office has been like being in a car driving right off a cliff, wondering when we are going to hit bottom, only there is no bottom. Thelma and Louise without the hearty laughs.

During his first term I gave a lot of thought to what kind of history I was living through and witnessing. Looking around the planet at other countries I saw the same populist fascist politics at play. I thought: end of a cycle, maybe even a Kali Yuga.

For the first time in my entire life I began to understand why so many Germans kept quiet — they were keeping their heads down, they were trying to survive the madness.

Looking at voting patterns, and laws designed to keep all women firmly in “their place” and obeying men — laws designed to keep all POC in “their place” — laws that threaten expulsion and concentration camps to anyone that crosses the path of ICE — it has occurred to me that half this country sincerely wants slavery to exist. I don’t know what else you can call laws that forbid women to even travel if someone imagines they might be pregnant, or jails women for having a miscarriage, that kind of thing. They want an uneducated and impoverished permanent underclass, too.

Getting Joe Biden elected was a respite, a chance to correct our course — and we failed, because trump is back, this time with a plan in hand (Project 2025) and many people eager to fulfill it.

Democracy is not an illusion, but it requires attention and maintenance, and our failure was to become flabby and lazy in our thinking, and not know how to respond to evident danger. I don’t think all is lost forever, but at my age I doubt I shall live to see my country repair even a tenth of the damage already done.

I hope I haven’t rambled on too much. I started this many hours ago, had many interruptions, and wanted to finish the thought, for whatever that is worth.

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I saw the Democracy cracking before Trump came along Johnny2X2X May 2025 #1
We had plenty of warning NJCher May 2025 #13
Some of us here DENVERPOPS May 2025 #64
EVERY GOP Presidency since 1968 began with treason Bluetus May 2025 #69
Exactly Bluetus DENVERPOPS May 2025 #70
Actually, markodochartaigh May 2025 #72
Correct. My mistake. Bluetus May 2025 #85
It's the 'winning' part isn't. Biophilic May 2025 #15
Yeah, trump is just the culmination of decades of RW attacks on democracy... Wounded Bear May 2025 #21
Presidential immunity dates to Nixon & the 1973 OLC memo. CaptainTruth May 2025 #41
Back to Nixon and Roy Cohn and Roger Stone. Yes. soldierant May 2025 #68
No Goodwill Haru May 2025 #40
Selection 2000 WiVoter May 2025 #53
me too pfitz59 May 2025 #56
Post removed Post removed May 2025 #65
Started with Nixon, then Reagan. They can't win without cheating. brush May 2025 #76
how in Gods name did it unravel so easily samnsara May 2025 #2
Two words: lastlib May 2025 #11
Two more words Mysterian May 2025 #20
Yeah, I can see that. lastlib May 2025 #43
Letting Nixon get away with a pardon deal Mr.WeRP May 2025 #38
two more: Fox News LymphocyteLover May 2025 #63
two more words proud patriot May 2025 #82
And let's not forget 30 years of non-stop subversive propaganda brainwashing on radio, TV and then internet hadEnuf May 2025 #27
How did people not notice? Cirsium May 2025 #46
Social media algorithmic manipulation, now hyper powered by AI. It's the annihilation of truth. Celerity May 2025 #74
I would argue that civilization itself is fragile EYESORE 9001 May 2025 #3
Bingo misanthrope May 2025 #75
No more contempt charges. underpants May 2025 #4
It isnt just Trump, it is the RW media appartus Johonny May 2025 #5
And the willfully stupid portion of our populace Mysterian May 2025 #19
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". Too many people sleep-walking through life. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2025 #6
Years Ago Mr.Bee May 2025 #7
That it was. I never though it would be this easy to destroy the country. Autumn May 2025 #8
He couldn't have done it without a corrupt Supreme Court and House majority. JohnnyRingo May 2025 #9
Rocket Fuel Starbeach May 2025 #24
It seems awfully easy for that orange piece of shit cilla4progress May 2025 #10
This is a result of a multi year misinformation campaign by the right, big money, and which Botany May 2025 #12
Multi-decade...nt Wounded Bear May 2025 #23
See Ronald Reagan and Iran Contra Botany May 2025 #25
Actually goes back to Nixon... Wounded Bear May 2025 #32
It goes back to even before that Botany May 2025 #36
I remember when the NYT actually ran op-eds warning about North... keep_left May 2025 #50
It's only temporary NJCher May 2025 #14
What an unhelpful and useless comment. Biophilic May 2025 #22
The founders never expected someone like trump to be voted into the presidency. The founders sinned of having Escurumbele May 2025 #16
The Founders RobinA May 2025 #44
The founders had classical education, and knew from the Greeks and Romans that scoundrels could win favor JHB May 2025 #45
The founders did not anticipate the creation of political parties and the power of group mentality andym May 2025 #78
1984. It Can't Happen Here. Many others relayerbob May 2025 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Picaro May 2025 #18
Our democracy is held together with spit and a prayer. Irish_Dem May 2025 #26
Kick. This! I was telling my family this bronxiteforever May 2025 #28
Money buys influence - it is a real and present danger. walkingman May 2025 #29
I'm right there with you. Hugin May 2025 #30
Laws must be administered by public servants Martin Eden May 2025 #31
I resent a lifetime of indoctrination telling me that cheaters will get caught in the end Orrex May 2025 #33
Yes, I've said the same thing several times PatSeg May 2025 #34
White "christian" nationalists Nigrum Cattus May 2025 #35
I had very good history and civics teachers along with a very wise parent who taught me how fragile freedom is Cheezoholic May 2025 #37
Never doubt that you have lots and lots of company. Paladin May 2025 #39
THE FOUNDING FATHERS IMAGINED A TRUMP Chasstev365 May 2025 #42
These events are quite an eye opener. republianmushroom May 2025 #47
Until Nov 2024, I never realized how S T U P I D too many American voters (and deliberate non-voters) could be Montauk6 May 2025 #48
All he's done really, is do it openly. BlueTsunami2018 May 2025 #49
I somehow knew/sensed in 2015 that he was going to do this. His rhetoric and sociopathy was obvious then. n/t Evolve Dammit May 2025 #51
K&R UTUSN May 2025 #52
Democracy requires maintenance. hay rick May 2025 #54
"Democracy is hard, it's messy, and you have to think a lot." President Bartlett, West Wing. SharonAnn May 2025 #71
Yeah, our democracy has been declining since Reagan turned people against the government and toward greed. Bluepinky May 2025 #55
Benjamin Franklin: "A democracy if you can keep it" jgmiller May 2025 #57
This isn't just Trump. This is the endgame of a 50-year effort to force a fundamental change on the nation. JHB May 2025 #58
IMO Mblaze May 2025 #59
We are not exceptional, sadly. Oneironaut May 2025 #60
it wouldn't be if GOP allegiance was to AMERICA and not DONALD FUCKING TRUMP Skittles May 2025 #61
Yes, it has been very distressing to see how easily Trump has managed to break laws, violate the constitution, and Martin68 May 2025 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2025 #66
Brainwashing for 30 years cactuslady May 2025 #67
Me, too. What I don't know, is a lot. Joinfortmill May 2025 #73
It's almost like, if I commit a felony, maybe I can just walk out of the police station, and ignore the "STOP!" yelling. C Moon May 2025 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author StevieM May 2025 #79
In 2016 I watched his campaign with horror, and with equal horror the GOP's response... Hekate May 2025 #80
People need to acknowledge donheld May 2025 #81
My mother saw this coming back in 2000 synni May 2025 #83
This too shall pass. Patton French May 2025 #84
It is amazing that nobody has thought to mention Ken Starr as a turning point that led us to this place. StevieM May 2025 #86
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