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Martin Eden

(14,760 posts)
56. If they say they are "proud" for standing on "principle"
Wed May 21, 2025, 02:41 PM
May 2025

Then they can't (or refuse) to see past a righteous cause to the real world consequences of a Trump presidency, not only for Palestinians but for people worldwide. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not the ones being punished.

Perhaps their protests were more fashion than substance, or they simply won't admit to themselves and others they made a terrible mistake.

Setting them aside, I have to wonder if Hamas anticipated the sustained severity of Israel's response. They had to know Gaza was going to be hit, and hit hard. I surmised their strategy was to garner international sympathy and support. That has materialized, but hasn't changed facts on the ground.

I think it's important to remember the I/P conflict goes beyond the multiple generations of our lifetime. Struggle over the Holy Land spans millenia. Like Putin, Hamas desires the collapse of the USA as the dominant nation on the world stage. Without US financial and military aid, Israel's position is considerably weaker.

Hemmed into an open air prison (somewhat of Hamas own making) their desperate position called for desperate measures. Their long term goal (which I do NOT support) is the destruction of the Jewish State, which of course means eliminating or driving out the Jewish people.

Now Trump says he will force an exodus of Palestinians from Gaza. Is the "Genocide Joe" crowd proud of that? I give them no credit for understanding real geopolitics, or having the maturity to see past their own personal passion.

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Just yesterday had conversation with Liberal Slash Progressive Eliot Rosewater May 2025 #1
Translation: sheshe2 May 2025 #7
They expect Democrats to be their ideal lover mcar May 2025 #21
Purity is the ally of Evil Martin Eden May 2025 #25
This is so well said . . . . Scubamatt May 2025 #27
Daaaaamn! Perfect! (May I quote you on that in the future?) Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #44
Of course you may! Never heard of or used it before, but seemed apt for this issue Martin Eden May 2025 #46
Convincing people that politics is a good vs evil moral purity sort of personal religion betsuni May 2025 #49
Politics is necessary to defeat evil. Purity is not inherently evil. Martin Eden May 2025 #50
I rarely used the word stupid because usually "ignorant" is what applies Eliot Rosewater May 2025 #54
I rarely used the word stupid because usually "ignorant" is what applies Eliot Rosewater May 2025 #55
I could not vote for Trump because of his position on America LS0999 May 2025 #32
This is an advantage that Republicans have Dem4life1970 May 2025 #36
People like that are easy marks for propaganda. yardwork May 2025 #38
I apologize for not seeing your comment sooner... you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #53
People like that just want to sit on their high horse SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #47
Agreed! Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #59
Trust me many of the people who supposedly supported Palestine. Keepthesoulalive May 2025 #51
If they say they are "proud" for standing on "principle" Martin Eden May 2025 #56
You should see the responses on Reddit Keepthesoulalive May 2025 #57
I'll take your word for it. Martin Eden May 2025 #58
This! mcar May 2025 #2
This mzmolly May 2025 #3
Post removed Post removed May 2025 #4
I'm not surprised. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #8
"Freedom fighter" fans who don't know what the word "genocide" means can get very touchy. betsuni May 2025 #10
Indeed... ignorance can make some folks feel empowered... Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #15
And again! sheshe2 May 2025 #18
Fascinating. I guess a nerve has been struck. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #43
It seems someone took it 'personally'... sheshe2 May 2025 #45
Yes it is. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #52
And then guess what happened next! marble falls May 2025 #13
How about people here that said Joe was complicit in Gaza genocide? nt LexVegas May 2025 #5
Yep. MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #11
They know who the hell they are. Are they happy now? Hekate May 2025 #20
I'm sure they are. yardwork May 2025 #39
Yep. mcar May 2025 #22
The question is whether or not they cast their vote for Joe Martin Eden May 2025 #28
Yes, the people who have likely destroyed this country Meowmee May 2025 #6
Abso-f**king-lutely! sheshe2 May 2025 #9
I'm as strong as a Biden supporter as anybody, but isn't this a good time for everyone to cut the crap and dig in? marble falls May 2025 #12
No. Wrong. Now is the PERFECT time... when people are paying attention. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #16
If the error isn't called out now Scubamatt May 2025 #29
What mistake? SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #48
I agree with the OP LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #42
Perfect. MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #14
Hate is blind. usonian May 2025 #17
Yes. And ignorance is blind, too. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #19
Interesting, MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #23
Isn't it against DU rules to urge members against voting for the Democrat? Martin Eden May 2025 #30
It is against the ToS, MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #31
Please clarify Martin Eden May 2025 #34
I'm not getting into that, it would be on the edge and I prefer to keep my 100% rating. MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #35
BTW, I didn't say anyone here urged that, MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #37
Thanks for the clarification Martin Eden May 2025 #40
Myopic, purity demanding ASSHOLES! Behind the Aegis May 2025 #24
K&R spanone May 2025 #26
K&R nt PunkinPi May 2025 #33
Trump administration working on plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #41
The most anti-Biden (or anti-Democrat) elected officials are noticeably silent * Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #60
Noisy "standing up to" "taking on" "holding feet to fire" directed at Dems only. "Grassroots" status quo fundraising. betsuni May 2025 #61
"Friends, will you split your donation with me and *" Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #62
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