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SomewhereInTheMiddle

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47. I think Gaza became a single issue for many Democrats that drove them to not vote or vote third party ...

Wed Apr 30, 2025, 03:06 AM

Apr 30

I don't know how widespread that dissatisfaction was with what was seen as Biden's support of Netanyahu's campaign against the Palestinian's, and Harris' refusal or inability to distance herself from that perceived stance.

I know that several young people of my acquaintance chose not to vote at all rather than vote for Harris because of this single issue. My wife almost made the same choice for the same reason.

These are not the people that voted for Trump because of this issue, though they might have cost us votes as well. These are people that just bowed out.

These people may be unhappy with the result now but felt it was the right thing to do at the time.

I don't KNOW that made the difference, but I do think it likely impacted the total Democratic vote.

And I don't this was a right/center/left issue. Just one of the tragedies of our time.

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Democrats: Stop Running to the Center - Robert Reich [View all] Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 OP

because the last election showed us how the country stopdiggin Feb 2025 #1

That's what Robert Reich saw and he's been following elections a lot longer than I have Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #2

There's no such thing as a political expert Polybius Mar 9 #25

As the old saying goes, opinions are the assholes, everybody has one, and Reich is entitled to his. elocs Apr 22 #42

No the last election showed us that chasing the illusive Republican who will vote Democratic Nanjeanne Feb 2025 #19

ah, yes. "what the Ds lack is solid 'messaging' " stopdiggin Feb 2025 #21

It was a "disjointed" message. My heart sank when I saw what happened to Biden during the debate. That long pause, Biden CTyankee Feb 2025 #23

see I bought a huge bottle of whiskey election night Skittles Apr 29 #45

You were so right. I was so wrong, just carried away by the moment. Now I know... CTyankee Apr 30 #46

I was hopeful...foolishly so Bettie May 6 #48

You argue as passionately against a left shift as questionseverything Mar 9 #28

Darn straight. Unapologetically. And with some conviction. stopdiggin Mar 9 #29

If we really want to win elections, we should be able to verify the count questionseverything Mar 9 #30

My objection to 'hand counting' lies in that it is a bogus nostrum stopdiggin Mar 9 #31

It's transparent which should beat everything in a democracy questionseverything Mar 9 #32

have to be joking stopdiggin Mar 9 #33

Overton window Be Leave On Feb 2025 #3

Thanks so much! And I tend to believe Robert Reich Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #4

A blunt opinion Nulock Feb 2025 #5

Thanks for your thoughtful response Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #6

Thank you. Nulock Feb 2025 #7

I agree with you and what's happening now absolutely baffles me Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #9

Although I detest Reagan, markodochartaigh Feb 2025 #12

I was certainly no fan of Reagan, either, though his "beliefs" were the complete opposite of TFG's Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #14

Trump's essentially a crime boss and the Republican Party has become his crime family. Nulock Feb 2025 #13

Wow! I completely take your point and certainly agree Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #15

He has the entire political apparatus of the state at his disposal and command. Nulock Feb 2025 #16

And the fact that he has these ardent "loyalists" makes no sense to me Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #17

I'll buy in to that - in general terms, if not every specific ... stopdiggin Feb 2025 #11

Completely agree DeepWinter Feb 2025 #22

Pretty good article from a DU member posted here. Nulock Mar 2025 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Mar 16 #37

I think Gaza became a single issue for many Democrats that drove them to not vote or vote third party ... SomewhereInTheMiddle Apr 30 #47

That was cosmic, I just made a post on another thread that aligned with Robert's message before I saw this video Uncle Joe Feb 2025 #8

Awww, thanks, Uncle Joe! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2025 #10

We didn't lose from running to the center somsai Feb 2025 #18

Well said. Think. Again. Mar 9 #26

or perhaps the party of many small tents who can't come together when it matters? cadoman Mar 12 #34

immigration is more a racist issue than an economic one Skittles May 7 #49

Stop compromising. We need to get Enthusiastic & get our own movement going! Maga gives us lots of ammunition. NowsTheTime Feb 2025 #20

I can't rec this post enough. Think. Again. Mar 9 #27

K & R. We have a centrist problem. Emile Mar 15 #35

We've been moving right ever since Reagan. Trump is the logical outcome of our strategy. jalan48 Mar 15 #36

This is what centrism sounds like ... Intractable Mar 16 #38

Chuck Schumer needs to take notes and learn. Emile Mar 17 #39

Since Carter, and then Clinton, Obama. Passages Mar 18 #40

There are voter who normally vote more Democratic than Republican, but who simply not vote for a woman. elocs Apr 22 #41

I voted early for the first time in the last election, I needed to get it done Rhiannon12866 Apr 22 #43

The center-left divide is no longer relevant iemanja Apr 29 #44