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guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
25. excellent point
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 01:35 PM
Mar 2015

especially:

"Past research indicates that the behavior reflects repeated exposure to pervasive cultural stereotypes that cause subtle gender biases to linger in even the most egalitarian individuals despite decreases in overt sexism over the past few decades, especially among those with the highest education levels. "

The nature vs nurture argument. I am on the side of nurture because
1) there have been some few matriarchal cultures and
2) because I would not like to think I am inherently or genetically pre-disposed to sexism

I appreciate your point.

I had a discussion with my oldest child last year. There was an editorial management position opening at her workplace. She was unsure of applying, stating that she was reluctant to apply because the job involved giving direction and hiring/firing decisions. (She is 29) My advice was that if she was the best qualified she owed it to herself (primarily) and the company (secondarily) to apply. She applied and was awarded the position.

She is very intelligent and very capable in her job. Her reluctance bothered me because it seemed to me like self de-selection. (If that sounds coherent.) But she is happy with the new position and the increase in pay and responsibility. Did her reluctance come from our home, attitudes she picked up from us, or from her limited exposure to school and job?

So yes, I do understand personally and intellectually the problem with sexism. As well as a non-victim can.

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One man represents all men? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #1
This is not about relationship 'issues' exactly ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #2
I was responding only to the information in the link guillaumeb Mar 2015 #3
Yep. False equivalency Gaslighting. salib Mar 2015 #4
how do I distinguish between what I think I see guillaumeb Mar 2015 #5
Why? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #6
No doubt that sexism exists in my mind guillaumeb Mar 2015 #8
But they can start a decent conversation ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #15
"I personally don't do feminism 101, " AH HAAhAAaahaahahahaaaha seabeyond Mar 2015 #17
Heh. ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #23
if your point was to start a conversation I agree with it. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #19
it is a thing that men do. (that is general, not ALL). it is a thing women allow. (that is general, seabeyond Mar 2015 #20
yes to all three guillaumeb Mar 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #21
Let's take a look at one article ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #22
excellent point guillaumeb Mar 2015 #25
Yes ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #28
+1... nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #29
You mean that based on what someone else says, you might doubt what you see and you conclusions? salib Mar 2015 #7
Not what I said guillaumeb Mar 2015 #9
It is what you said. salib Mar 2015 #10
interesting framing of my position guillaumeb Mar 2015 #13
nobody gives a shit about your "all" argument. what part of that are YOU not getting seabeyond Mar 2015 #18
seabeyond, he must really think he is clever salib Mar 2015 #31
i swear to god, the best of men have such a challenge seeing the wrongs. a challenge seabeyond Mar 2015 #32
"how do I distinguish between what I think I see" maybe LISTEN to women tell you our seabeyond Mar 2015 #12
I am willing to do so, guillaumeb Mar 2015 #14
then do the damn research instead of continuing your damn dismissal. seabeyond Mar 2015 #16
This sounds familiar. The discussion of the OP is over now. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #11
And just how many women had to accuse Cosby before the story got any traction? Warpy Mar 2015 #26
There are still men who think that the *dozens* of women who have accused Cosby are lying YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #35
the bro is just having the first of many, many... mike_c Mar 2015 #27
guess what, dude. this woman does not trust men. at all. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #30
I'm back on topic and here to say JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #34
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