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ismnotwasm

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2. This is not about relationship 'issues' exactly
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 08:30 PM
Mar 2015

For instance, I have a very good marriage. We trust one another.

This is about a generalized mistrust about the word of women compared to generalized trust of the word of men. In other words, men are considered more trustworthy, or more 'stable' if you will, while women are considered emotional and reactive. No generalization is 100%, of course.


No article on the inherent distrust of women by men could be complete with a mention of Yashar Ali's 2011 essay for HuffPo about gaslighting, which explained the commonly used manipulation tactic toward women, drawn from a 1944 film of the same name, that undercuts a woman's every assertion that her feelings and experiences are valid and true. It can be very subtle — a "you're so sensitive" here, a "Calm down, you're overreacting," there — to more serious emotional abuse, such as, as Ali notes, "No one will ever want you."

What woman alive has not experienced this in some form or another, is not intimately aware of having her authority questioned, her opinions ignored, doubted, or silenced, her feelings mocked, belittled, or dismissed? Young notes, that, when it comes to interpersonal conflict with his wife, "if she's on eight, I assume the situation is really a six."

At its essence, this is a form of emotional policing that tells us how we should or shouldn't feel, and reminds us that we are not to be taken as seriously as men, who have the final say in all matters.

Hell, I am grateful at this point when I remark on something I've researched and reported extensively and know to be correct and a man in my presence concedes, "Yeah, that could be true." In my real every day life, men take other men's opinions as facts, and seem more likely to regard women's opinions as suggestions

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One man represents all men? guillaumeb Mar 2015 #1
This is not about relationship 'issues' exactly ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #2
I was responding only to the information in the link guillaumeb Mar 2015 #3
Yep. False equivalency Gaslighting. salib Mar 2015 #4
how do I distinguish between what I think I see guillaumeb Mar 2015 #5
Why? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #6
No doubt that sexism exists in my mind guillaumeb Mar 2015 #8
But they can start a decent conversation ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #15
"I personally don't do feminism 101, " AH HAAhAAaahaahahahaaaha seabeyond Mar 2015 #17
Heh. ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #23
if your point was to start a conversation I agree with it. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #19
it is a thing that men do. (that is general, not ALL). it is a thing women allow. (that is general, seabeyond Mar 2015 #20
yes to all three guillaumeb Mar 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #21
Let's take a look at one article ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #22
excellent point guillaumeb Mar 2015 #25
Yes ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #28
+1... nt seabeyond Mar 2015 #29
You mean that based on what someone else says, you might doubt what you see and you conclusions? salib Mar 2015 #7
Not what I said guillaumeb Mar 2015 #9
It is what you said. salib Mar 2015 #10
interesting framing of my position guillaumeb Mar 2015 #13
nobody gives a shit about your "all" argument. what part of that are YOU not getting seabeyond Mar 2015 #18
seabeyond, he must really think he is clever salib Mar 2015 #31
i swear to god, the best of men have such a challenge seeing the wrongs. a challenge seabeyond Mar 2015 #32
"how do I distinguish between what I think I see" maybe LISTEN to women tell you our seabeyond Mar 2015 #12
I am willing to do so, guillaumeb Mar 2015 #14
then do the damn research instead of continuing your damn dismissal. seabeyond Mar 2015 #16
This sounds familiar. The discussion of the OP is over now. n/t freshwest Mar 2015 #11
And just how many women had to accuse Cosby before the story got any traction? Warpy Mar 2015 #26
There are still men who think that the *dozens* of women who have accused Cosby are lying YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #35
the bro is just having the first of many, many... mike_c Mar 2015 #27
guess what, dude. this woman does not trust men. at all. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2015 #30
I'm back on topic and here to say JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #34
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