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jeff47

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16. Feel free to explain the UK failing to find thousands of victims.

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 03:08 PM

Feb 2015

The estimate of trafficked women in the UK was many thousands when they started looking. They interviewed thousands of immigrants working as prostitutes, and found a tiny number that wanted a free ride home. They even threw a few traffickers in prison during their sweep.....just not thousands.

It's easy to estimate the number of foreigners who enter the country for sex work. It's a lot harder to figure out if they're doing that voluntarily.

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Sweden's Prostitution Solution: Why Hasn't Anyone Tried This Before? [View all] ismnotwasm Feb 2015 OP

simple, reasonable and yet, oh.so.radical. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #1

+1 brer cat Feb 2015 #6

KnR--to the greatest page. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #2

See? DeSwiss Feb 2015 #3

K & R SunSeeker Feb 2015 #4

Won't happen here so long as men control the law-making process. Scuba Feb 2015 #5

Because it's a half-solution that exports the problems. jeff47 Feb 2015 #7

Why shouldn't the Johns get psychological care? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #11

Because we aren't looking for signs they are being manipulated. jeff47 Feb 2015 #12

... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #13

And how was that stopped by prostitution being illegal? jeff47 Feb 2015 #15

sounds like rationalization to me. you need to justify it, in your own mind. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #17

The goal is to stop people from being hurt. jeff47 Feb 2015 #23

What about looking for signs of potential for violence? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #19

I'd argue we should be doing that to the entire population, not just Johns. jeff47 Feb 2015 #21

Possibly ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #24

Excellent post. Another fine quality post from ism. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #25

This is an article that cites a 2012 study ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #29

But doing nothing causes more harm. jeff47 Feb 2015 #27

Thus this discussion ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #28

your risk assessment is not correct and the countries that have legalized for over a decade is proof seabeyond Feb 2015 #33

you ignore the immediate and predictable consequence of legalization--increasing demand. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #35

You're defining trafficking as any movement. jeff47 Feb 2015 #37

increasing demand will increase the amount of stuff that gets done underground geek tragedy Feb 2015 #39

Except the demand is for the legal options jeff47 Feb 2015 #41

If the illegal option offers fewer rules and costs geek tragedy Feb 2015 #42

Which is why above I proposed regulations on the brothel. jeff47 Feb 2015 #45

Sexual harassment law is not based on the notion that it's not okay to ask people geek tragedy Feb 2015 #49

they are putting their trafficked girls in strip clubs. pretty well set place. seabeyond Feb 2015 #51

I like his use of the phrase "definitional problem" Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #14

Feel free to explain the UK failing to find thousands of victims. jeff47 Feb 2015 #16

you want me to explain why men pay for sex? lol Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #18

No, I want you to explain how the enormous number of trafficked women jeff47 Feb 2015 #22

I hope ism addresses this for you. At work now Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #26

Are you saying they don't exist? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #30

I'm saying that there were claims of a very large number in the UK jeff47 Feb 2015 #31

Then you don't understand the nature of prostitution ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #40

Nope, I'm doubting studies jeff47 Feb 2015 #43

Regulate what? ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #44

It's in post 7. jeff47 Feb 2015 #46

Oh. That one ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #47

Yep, you did a great job walking right back to the same place jeff47 Feb 2015 #48

I didn't agree with your original points. ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #50

show us this study. i cannot trust your interpretation of what you read. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #34

It's not a study. It's actually looking for them. jeff47 Feb 2015 #36

ha ha ha ha seabeyond Feb 2015 #38

Yup. ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #20

it is not easier finding the taffickers if either side is illegal. legalizing makes it hardest for seabeyond Feb 2015 #32

so obvious, yes? I remember a sting in CA years ago. the police were rounding up the niyad Feb 2015 #8

Yeah that approach seems to die a quiet death ismnotwasm Feb 2015 #9

That evens out the power AwakeAtLast Feb 2015 #10