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hlthe2b

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64. It was a good and thoughtful exchange...

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:00 PM

Feb 2014

I think between the numerous highly recommended and discussed posts by a number of very eloquent posters in GD and HOF accompanied by the ATA questions by Bain and Bjorn Against, we've made some inroads..

That said, I am admittedly in the camp that was hoping/expecting for more from Skinner (e.g., zero tolerance for misogyny), but I guess it is a start. Those who want to keep on behaving as they are, though, can readily construe what they want from his failure to take an absolute stand. sigh...

When I originally posted this, I was trying hard to see the optimism... I still am, but as others have posted where we were a year ago and how short we fall from any real change, it is hard....

But all of us deserve better and I can't see any of us backing down.

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I thought Skinner's answer to Bain in ATA was very good. [View all] sufrommich Feb 2014 OP

?? brucefan Feb 2014 #1

Sorry,I shouldn't have assumed everybody sufrommich Feb 2014 #2

Did he state that DU has ZERO tolerance DURHAM D Feb 2014 #3

No,he didn't. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #4

Nope. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #8

No, but I do think his response was thouthtful and helpful. BainsBane Feb 2014 #9

I'm not impressed. His words are all very nice, but they do nothing to mitigate the fact that DU Squinch Feb 2014 #10

There actually is a lot of tolerance for racism on DU BainsBane Feb 2014 #13

Yes,there is. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #14

I know. I agree. But it's exactly what you say: some few feel empowered to express their Squinch Feb 2014 #16

I agree with that BainsBane Feb 2014 #17

I'm sure he's not alone. Squinch Feb 2014 #18

Just read that link - thanks. RBStevens Feb 2014 #19

If I didn't have skin like a rhinocerous BainsBane Feb 2014 #20

Exactly! Damn but if women talk out loud and argue against RBStevens Feb 2014 #21

"playing the vcitim" BainsBane Feb 2014 #24

i thought so also when i was just huh, barely an adult. lol. then you grow up. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #27

actually the internet allows empowerment for it to grow outside, in real life, i believe. so ya.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #26

And when I say I'm not impresed, Squinch Feb 2014 #22

too surprising and such a supporter... lol, not. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #25

It makes it sound like hostility is actually good, in the end. Whisp Feb 2014 #30

i do not think it is about the rube getting educated. these battle that we have to constantly have seabeyond Feb 2014 #32

+1 RBStevens Feb 2014 #33

some defenders of Russia really took a crap all over GLBT rights during Sochi geek tragedy Feb 2014 #44

it is warped, those that want to place the blame on people because they have the courage, integrity, seabeyond Feb 2014 #45

You might be noticing it more gollygee Feb 2014 #49

All of it boils down to denial of privilege. sufrommich Feb 2014 #52

THANK!!!!!! YOU!!!!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #51

though blurry, i think hte importance of what he said was his line of acceptance. his personal line seabeyond Feb 2014 #23

Well, yes. He did answer. There is that. Squinch Feb 2014 #28

Hi Squinch. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #42

I saw that, and I think I might have been remembering it as I was reading Skinner's response Squinch Feb 2014 #47

Exactly how I see it. n/t MadrasT Feb 2014 #50

sadly I agree DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #53

No he did not. Whisp Feb 2014 #29

I have gathered that there is some (a lot?) of RBStevens Feb 2014 #31

Lots of clicks in those long fights... Squinch Feb 2014 #34

that is the one that makes me squint my eyes, look in the face of our reality we are being given. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #35

I just re-read Skinner's response RBStevens Feb 2014 #38

Yes. Here is a link to an OP from almost a year ago. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #37

Thank you - started reading through it RBStevens Feb 2014 #39

That was depressing to read,I forgot sufrommich Feb 2014 #46

"Good exercise but you aren't really going anywhere" Squinch Feb 2014 #57

Is not the support from the broader DU community new? BainsBane Feb 2014 #68

There was a huge thread in META then taken over to Welcome & Help Whisp Feb 2014 #60

huge thread in meta coinciding with gormy's. with all our mess, we were totally united in solidarity seabeyond Feb 2014 #61

Here is the link BainsBane Feb 2014 #5

Thanks Bain. I'm not on my computer sufrommich Feb 2014 #6

This is very good to see wryter2000 Feb 2014 #7

Thanks for the link. nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #77

yes, but by the metric that Skinner sets, he would deprive the DU community from discussions CTyankee Feb 2014 #11

I'm encouraged by his reply. UtahLib Feb 2014 #12

Thanks for mentioning it, redqueen Feb 2014 #15

Frustrating gaspee Feb 2014 #36

$exism. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #40

but $ee, it i$ alway$ at the expen$e of the woman to get that $. ya know. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #41

I think Skinner is trying to allow the site to regulate itself ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #43

I just gotta say A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #48

Naw. Just had a rough background that rose out of the ashes from ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #55

Thanks for this reminder: A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #56

+1 ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #62

Ismnotwasm - with all due respect RBStevens Feb 2014 #54

I've read his replies ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #58

Thanks for your reply :) RBStevens Feb 2014 #59

I second A-Schwarz's post. And I think it's a shame HoF gets such a bad rap. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #90

Skinner missed his calling Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #63

Hey you DURHAM D Feb 2014 #65

LOL Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #66

It was a good and thoughtful exchange... hlthe2b Feb 2014 #64

Regarding raising awareness and "education." BainsBane Feb 2014 #67

i have been thinking also. though i agree with what is being said, here of late i have wondered seabeyond Feb 2014 #69

The issue of equal rights for women has been a settled matter among Democrats DURHAM D Feb 2014 #70

the take over of the third wave set it on its ears. clean up time. seabeyond Feb 2014 #71

Time to Move On and leave the ignorance/stupid behind. DU3 is behind the times when it should be Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #72

all that woman. you are so right on. ah ha..... i luv. simply fits perfectly in all that should seabeyond Feb 2014 #73

indeed, we are living in interesting times, sea. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #74

lol. Who is "we"? You got fleas? DURHAM D Feb 2014 #75

pfffft, i would not be so arrogant to say it is the new second wave. how totally condescending that seabeyond Feb 2014 #76

^^this^^ hlthe2b Feb 2014 #78

I just saw this. This is it, exactly! Squinch Mar 2014 #96

I hear what you are saying, and I AM encouraged that so many people came out and Squinch Feb 2014 #79

Now they've moved on to African American members BainsBane Feb 2014 #80

yup. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #81

I don't know how anyone can deny white privilege. MadrasT Feb 2014 #82

Jesus the whitesplaining going on is disgusting. MadrasT Feb 2014 #83

They literally don't give a high-flying fuck about anyone but themselves. It's nauseating, really. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #92

And they can't imagine that anyone should be able to have a thought that doesn't revolve around them Squinch Mar 2014 #97

I'm embarrassed for the idiots in those sufrommich Feb 2014 #84

i went in and perused one very long thread. ok, didnt bother perusing much. the very seabeyond Feb 2014 #85

As if tiptoeing delicately around a complex and difficult issue accomplishes jack shit. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #93

I just saw white privilege called gollygee Feb 2014 #86

It frustrates me BainsBane Feb 2014 #87

One particular OP just makes me want to straight-up smack the guy across the face. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #91

I feel that way about a couple of them BainsBane Feb 2014 #95

I started a white privilege thread in GD BainsBane Feb 2014 #88

Threads in GD today show that there is every bit as much tolerance BainsBane Feb 2014 #89

I think Skinner is well-intentioned, but he's still trying too hard to please everybody. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #94