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MadrasT

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54. Radical feminism does not involve separatism by default.

Wed Dec 11, 2013, 06:44 PM

Dec 2013

Or transphobia (though some folks love to push that tired meme).

Possibly some folks who identify as "radical feminists" embrace one or both of those positions. As far as I am concerned they are a subcategory of "separatist feminists" or "transphobic feminists" within the larger group.

I think of myself as a radical feminist. I do not wish to separate myself from men. And as a transgender (nongendered) human, I fully support everyone's right to gender self-identification and freedom of expression, regardless of one's physical container.

I am not giving up the identity because there are a few loudmouth assholes in the bunch. There are loudmouth assholes in every bunch.

That would be like abandoning Christianity because of the Westboro Baptist Church. Absurd.

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What I learned today on DU: [View all] xulamaude Dec 2013 OP

Nothing until just now, when I learned Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #1

The only thing that really scares me about that... lmFao, that was funny. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #4

I'm 'possibly sure' that your wife need not worry xulamaude Dec 2013 #9

I learned gollygee Dec 2013 #2

It is. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #13

I know a few Republicans BainsBane Dec 2013 #14

ah. my father. the reasonable republican, a lifetime that voted obama. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #18

My brother in law did in 2008 BainsBane Dec 2013 #19

Sometimes I wish I didn't learn so much on DU. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #3

Or that people didn't know so much that ain't so... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #29

uplifting messages, no matter how positive, should be suspect if backed by a shampoo company LanternWaste Dec 2013 #5

It is strange that it only airs in some other country. xulamaude Dec 2013 #12

You mean they're tired of being devalued, raped, beaten in their own homes? Warpy Dec 2013 #6

It's WAR I tell you! xulamaude Dec 2013 #7

where did you see this revere call: the feminists are comin', the feminist are comin'.... lol seabeyond Dec 2013 #11

i learned i could say happy holiday to a fellow duer i have been battlin' with for a long long time, seabeyond Dec 2013 #8

Maybe I should start a whole new thread xulamaude Dec 2013 #10

Ugh ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #15

The thread was so bad that there isn't even a joke xulamaude Dec 2013 #16

I read somewhere recently - it could have been here xulamaude Dec 2013 #17

Brave women fear nothing BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #31

I learned to like a DUer ot two that I never knew at all before today. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #20

That's wonderful! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #21

Dammit! You guys never send me the memo. Who are we at war with? I don't even know where to go! Squinch Dec 2013 #22

You are scary. I want to hang with you. Ah ha. Nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #23

Oh, NOW you want to hang with me! Squinch Dec 2013 #24

You betcha. Positioned more like, behind you. Nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #28

Dang. It seems that the quarter-amazon-master xulamaude Dec 2013 #25

. Squinch Dec 2013 #26

I learned that cutting wo rker salaries to increase "defense" spending MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #27

oh wow. what board are we on? looking around. wow. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

Are you serious? ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #32

That if I think a school are right to enforce their regulations on inappropriate touching KitSileya Dec 2013 #33

because boys will be boys? would that be the 6 yr old kissing? i didnt go into the thread. seabeyond Dec 2013 #34

Yes. This gets me so worked up - KitSileya Dec 2013 #43

yes. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #51

Tickling... xulamaude Dec 2013 #58

Was that the 6 year-old kissing thread? xulamaude Dec 2013 #35

It is indeed. KitSileya Dec 2013 #46

Like Sea, I stayed outta that one. xulamaude Dec 2013 #48

bah hahaha. and me? i am waaaay tired of this not thinking thru that creates a world of hurt for seabeyond Dec 2013 #52

Wow. There are two threads on that boy being suspended. redqueen Dec 2013 #59

To be honest, tho, I think the lack of replies were because there was no disagreement KitSileya Dec 2013 #61

There was a lot more to the story. redqueen Dec 2013 #62

I get told all the time I'm a "radical feminist" BainsBane Dec 2013 #36

here you go. a definition of radical fem. see how very radical it is. like it is an insult. seabeyond Dec 2013 #37

so it doesn't involve separatism? BainsBane Dec 2013 #38

yup. but forget the actual definition. remember, we are working with people here that REdefine seabeyond Dec 2013 #39

with very antiquated views, IMO BainsBane Dec 2013 #40

i kept getting insulted being called radical. looked it up and was all over.... wha? that is seabeyond Dec 2013 #41

Hey, why not BainsBane Dec 2013 #42

It's not :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #45

No, it doesn't at all :) nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #47

Radical feminism does not involve separatism by default. MadrasT Dec 2013 #54

It's funny how hard some people work to push that radfem = transphobe shit, isn't it? redqueen Dec 2013 #60

you mean the mens group obsession? and they just want to get people worked up to get women kicked seabeyond Dec 2013 #63

I hear someone there accused me of being a transphobe BainsBane Dec 2013 #69

They're doing the same thing Fox News does, it's like redqueen Dec 2013 #79

To elaborate on 'separtism': xulamaude Dec 2013 #56

It is pretty basic. xulamaude Dec 2013 #44

That's how I feel BainsBane Dec 2013 #49

Call me a ham hoagie, what do I care? lol :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #50

we didnt even know about the damn waves 2 yrs ago. we had to educate ourselves fast, seabeyond Dec 2013 #53

I know, right? MadrasT Dec 2013 #55

yup. saw and gonna read in a bit. i am an odd gus, how i go about reading OPs. lol. but, seabeyond Dec 2013 #57

So glad you did! redqueen Dec 2013 #64

+ a gazillion chervilant Dec 2013 #78

I learned that people don't always read... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #65

I don't know which post you are referring to BainsBane Dec 2013 #66

Well I can't imagine that it was coincidence... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #72

Oh no BainsBane Dec 2013 #73

What thread are you talking about? redqueen Dec 2013 #67

My apologies. You are right-- it was Feminists... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #70

I've heard of that book BainsBane Dec 2013 #71

This part... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #74

Given you raised it again (thinking you had already mentioned it here) BainsBane Dec 2013 #75

The book probably has lots of lessons, but I was... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #76

We don't always draw blood BainsBane Dec 2013 #77

Ah no need to apologize, no harm no foul. redqueen Dec 2013 #80

Could you provide links BainsBane Dec 2013 #68

Hi TB. There was no misreading on my part and I think it is/would be clear xulamaude Dec 2013 #82

Short answer BainsBane Dec 2013 #84

Well, it didn't sound like a joke... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #86

"some ideologies can have social dangers as real as physical ones." xulamaude Dec 2013 #87

what i learned, stepping into 6 yr old boy thread. the same people that tell us it is cool buying seabeyond Dec 2013 #81

Sure, it's "normal" behavior xulamaude Dec 2013 #83

having two boys, i would adamently say that the progressive behavior of harassment is anything close seabeyond Dec 2013 #85

one came out and just blamed women for being raped JI7 Dec 2013 #102

and more than one are attacking the mother and little girl. starting early blaming the victim. seabeyond Dec 2013 #103

Some incredible displays of internalized patriarchy in those threads. redqueen Dec 2013 #109

"they side so willingly with Fox News spin" i totally recognize that hypocrisy... but, seabeyond Dec 2013 #110

Did you try alerting? BainsBane Dec 2013 #104

it was already and the post was hidden JI7 Dec 2013 #105

Did you check to see if he is still an active member? BainsBane Dec 2013 #106

Still active... nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #108

Oooo, oooo, ooo xulamaude Dec 2013 #88

huh. are you allowed to be gay? or does that make you a genderist. only having sex with seabeyond Dec 2013 #89

Or like, what if I choose to xulamaude Dec 2013 #90

i personally do not like trash. i have always stayed away from it. i even have the boys take seabeyond Dec 2013 #91

Really? Does that apply to gay men as well? BainsBane Dec 2013 #92

Heh. MadrasT Dec 2013 #93

The lack of empathy is stunning. redqueen Dec 2013 #94

Bah, rape. Incest shincest BainsBane Dec 2013 #95

*This* smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #162

*this* lol seabeyond Dec 2013 #163

Today I learned that Cathy Brennan is the leader of de eeebul dangerius radfems! redqueen Dec 2013 #96

I have nothing to say about Cathy Brennan except xulamaude Dec 2013 #97

Have you seen that assertion before? redqueen Dec 2013 #98

Yes I have seen that before xulamaude Dec 2013 #99

I wasn't aware that she had followers. redqueen Dec 2013 #100

meh... who? nt lol seabeyond Dec 2013 #101

Actually I should ammend my 'followers' statement xulamaude Dec 2013 #107

Today I learned that correcting a lie is the same thing as caring about the person used to smear redqueen Dec 2013 #111

and dealing with the bullies ended up meaning being fired. so in essence, shut the fuck up. yes... seabeyond Dec 2013 #112

Just countering distortions and disinformation. redqueen Dec 2013 #127

yes. thank you for the clarification. i totally get that, agree and have seen it myself. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #128

Ah, yes, Andrea 'The Hut' Dworkin... xulamaude Dec 2013 #114

flynts own words, 3 yrs. these women have three years and his industry chews them up and spits them seabeyond Dec 2013 #118

And he should know, right? xulamaude Dec 2013 #119

yes, he is the one in the know. and yes, his words. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #121

oh, and this is also the man we hale as the hero of liberals and cheer him, when he sticks a dick in seabeyond Dec 2013 #122

This strong feminist voice was hardly a man-hater seabeyond Dec 2013 #120

A gift for HOF: xulamaude Dec 2013 #123

how exciting. i am so downloading on my kindle. thank you. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #125

And doesn't it speak volumes that a misogynist like Flynt is a hero to them. redqueen Dec 2013 #130

I learned that racism is possibly a thing of the past ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #113

Hey! We're living in the post-racist age!! xulamaude Dec 2013 #115

But people have FRIENDS of color ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #134

As the old saying/joke goes: xulamaude Dec 2013 #136

i heard... NAACP.. "all help to keep the notion of "inequality" alive and well." so i said seabeyond Dec 2013 #124

Oh FFS ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #141

Recognizing when someone is a victim or a group of people are victims gollygee Dec 2013 #116

Nah, I'm pretty sure that it's the victimizers xulamaude Dec 2013 #117

and a 6 yr old must go in front of a camera and tell the word if she was good with the kiss or just seabeyond Dec 2013 #126

I get that individual victims might not want to think of themselves that way. redqueen Dec 2013 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author NoOneMan Dec 2013 #129

noonemans post. that he decided to self delete as i was replying. seabeyond Dec 2013 #131

Haaay ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #133

Thanks for capturing that. Good grief... nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #138

ya. i learned today nooneman does not like us. lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #140

LOL ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #142

ya know? lol.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #143

Oops! Looks like NoOneMan got lost! xulamaude Dec 2013 #132

LOL no shit... redqueen Dec 2013 #135

Somebody get that boy a GPS for xmas!! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #137

i learned the mens group new meme for us is we are fucking emotionally DAMAGED..... this is seabeyond Dec 2013 #144

arrogant, condescending fuckin bullshit. how many women hang with men that do that seabeyond Dec 2013 #145

That's at least a week or two old BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

i got it fuckin just now. and it wasnt me of course, that would be others in the thread. like seabeyond Dec 2013 #149

LOL gollygee Dec 2013 #147

well. that is a real duh. but when does reality matter when creating a caricature to shut you up seabeyond Dec 2013 #151

That's ok ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #148

ranting thru the house, trying to shut me up telling me i am emotionally damaged.... lol seabeyond Dec 2013 #152

The truth of the matter is that so many xulamaude Dec 2013 #150

'damaged goods'... thank you. THAT. THAT is what it feels like when i read it in the mens group seabeyond Dec 2013 #153

^^^ truth ^^^ MadrasT Dec 2013 #154

This is a very good point gollygee Dec 2013 #155

^^^ truth ^^^ MadrasT Dec 2013 #156

I was raised by a misanthropist ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #157

good post ism. i hear ya and if i suffered any damage, (i had the easy life) it si not messin with seabeyond Dec 2013 #161

THANK YOU redqueen Dec 2013 #159

The truth of the matter is it is just fucking rude, mean, and a powerplay. boston bean Dec 2013 #164

i dunno BB. if you think a person is "emotionally damaged" wouldnt you play nice? i would. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #165

This. This. This. Whether or not anyone is personally hurt or offended is beside the point. redqueen Dec 2013 #158

Uh oh! Looks like the post count is getting high enough xulamaude Dec 2013 #160

you. after we play out the emotional damage shit. cause you do it so well.... nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #166

Here's a great thing to learn on DU gollygee Dec 2013 #167

ya. lets see if i get my seventh hide, lol. i may never get back on du. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #168

Sweet Jesus REALLY DU??? MadrasT Dec 2013 #170

Nice, huh? gollygee Dec 2013 #171

alert. everyone alert. skinner will get them all and read what we have to say. misogyny and seabeyond Dec 2013 #172

People who are on the receiving end of microaggressions are overly sensitive. gollygee Dec 2013 #169

never golly.... welll, they did hide a couple that were nothing. now, diss women, thumbs up. seabeyond Dec 2013 #173