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15. To That I Would Have To Say That The US Presence Has Always been Felt In Hawaii
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 08:26 PM
Jul 2019

and why there is so much mistrust regarding this project. I understand why the OP originally posted as he did, but this situation goes beyond the push/pull of science and religion.

“Hawaii’s path to statehood began with the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, during which a group of American entrepreneurs and the U.S. military held the queen captive and took over the government.

But a Native Hawaiian renaissance began in the ’70s when a group of native activists protested the U.S. military’s use of the island of Kahoolawe as a practice target for bombs. (The damage was so bad, restoration efforts are still ongoing and the island remains closed to the general public.)”

"In 1896, education through the Hawaiian language in both public and private schools was outlawed on the model of U.S. policy towards the use of American Indian languages in education. Teachers were told that speaking Hawaiian with children will result in termination of employment. Children were harshly punished for speaking Hawaiian in school. By 1984 the community of fluent speakers had dwindled to a few elders and a tiny geographically isolated population on the island of Ni‘ihau. Hawaiian language speaking children under the age of 18 numbered less than fifty. The demise of Hawaiian language was imminent."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language

“Other groups began requesting subleases on the newly accessible mountaintop. By 1970, two 24 in (0.6 m) telescopes had been constructed by the United States Air Force and Lowell Observatory. In 1973, Canada and France agreed to build the 3.6 m CFHT on Mauna Kea.[11] However, local organizations started to raise concerns about the environmental impact of the observatory. This led the Department of Land and Natural Resources to prepare an initial management plan, drafted in 1977 and supplemented in 1980.

Telescopes found at the summit of Mauna Kea are funded by government agencies of various nations. The University of Hawaiʻi directly administers two telescopes. In total, there are twelve facilities housing thirteen telescopes[21] at or around the summit of Mauna Kea. It may also be the site of the Thirty Meter Telescope.
• Caltech Submillimeter Observatory (CSO): Caltech — closed 2015
• Canada–France–Hawaiʻi Telescope (CFHT): Canada, France, University of Hawaiʻi
Gemini North Telescope: United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Chile, Australia, Argentina, Brazil
NASA Infrared Telescope Facility (IRTF): NASA
• James Clerk Maxwell Telescope (JCMT): China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, United Kingdom, Canada
• Subaru Telescope: National Astronomical Observatory of Japan
Sub-Millimeter Array (SMA): Taiwan, United States
• United Kingdom Infrared Telescope (UKIRT): Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Center, University of Hawaiʻi, University of Arizona
• University of Hawaiʻi 88-inch (2.2 m) telescope (UH88): University of Hawaiʻi
• University of Hawaiʻi 36-inch (910 mm) telescope (Hoku Kea): University of Hawaii at Hilo
• One receiver of the Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA): United States
• W. M. Keck Observatory: California Association for Research in Astronomy”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauna_Kea_Observatories

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The problem is that many religious arguments are provably wrong. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2019 #1
I agree. Religion (mythology) should typically yield to Science bitterross Jul 2019 #5
The hot spot responsible for Mauna Kea did "birth" all of Hawaii FBaggins Jul 2019 #2
That was a study citing a sample size of 78 Hawaiians. mahina Jul 2019 #6
I didn't reference a particular study. FBaggins Jul 2019 #10
There was only one and that is the one I linked for you. mahina Jul 2019 #12
There's only one? FBaggins Jul 2019 #14
If there was another survey that showed support in that range it would be in the mahina Jul 2019 #17
This I've got to hear FBaggins Jul 2019 #18
Didn't say anything about the DNC mahina Jul 2019 #19
The Democratic Party in Hawaii is part of the DNC FBaggins Jul 2019 #25
You completely misunderstand the scale of the problem. mahina Jul 2019 #26
Lol. I appreciate the entertainment. FBaggins Jul 2019 #27
It's Not Quite As Simple As That Me. Jul 2019 #3
More Me. Jul 2019 #4
Except this isn't the US government. n/t Igel Jul 2019 #7
To That I Would Have To Say That The US Presence Has Always been Felt In Hawaii Me. Jul 2019 #15
I agree there is more to it. edhopper Jul 2019 #9
Well THis May Not Be The Discussion You Intended Me. Jul 2019 #16
I don't mind edhopper Jul 2019 #21
Thanks, Me Hekate Jul 2019 #11
There's all sorts of differences Major Nikon Aug 2019 #40
Thank you. mahina Jul 2019 #20
Mahalo, Me, for your input Cha Jul 2019 #33
... Me. Jul 2019 #35
These things tend to be highly spun. Igel Jul 2019 #8
To be fair the money received would be split 80/20 mahina Jul 2019 #22
This might be something of a change of pace, but I kind of agree. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #46
I'm surprised but am supportive of the native rights...I thought that there were already ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #13
Post #15 Me. Jul 2019 #23
There are many telescopes edhopper Jul 2019 #24
Probably don't want people with massive telescopes looking democratisphere Jul 2019 #28
That's Tahitian. mahina Jul 2019 #29
Hey! I needed grass skirt hula dancers and this is what boogle gave me. democratisphere Jul 2019 #30
Hey, no worse reasoning than some! mahina Jul 2019 #31
When I read stuff like this I tend to think about people PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #32
Ignorant? Me. Jul 2019 #34
Yeah, I know I'm extremely biased in favor of reality. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #36
Nice Try At Whataboutism Me. Jul 2019 #37
Nope. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #38
You're Stomping All Over Other's Beliefs Disrespectfully Me. Jul 2019 #39
If belief is free to promote itself... Major Nikon Aug 2019 #41
They Aren't Promoting Me. Aug 2019 #42
You are missing the point Major Nikon Aug 2019 #43
They Can Disparage It All They Want Me. Aug 2019 #44
That wasn't the point either Major Nikon Aug 2019 #45
That Was One Of My Points Me. Aug 2019 #47
I am Native American Major Nikon Aug 2019 #48
Of Course I'm Not In Favor Of Irredememably ChangIng Hawaii Me. Aug 2019 #50
You did make it clear as did I Major Nikon Aug 2019 #51
What? Me. Aug 2019 #52
On the one hand I am indifferent to 'sacredness'. AtheistCrusader Aug 2019 #49
Despite its small size, large parts of Hawaii are still relatively unspoiled Major Nikon Aug 2019 #53
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