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Martin Eden

(15,205 posts)
9. I can only speak for myself, a white male born 1957 in Chicago
Wed Aug 13, 2025, 01:03 PM
Aug 2025

What Trump voters "deserve" is secondary to whether they can reject Trumpism and help us save our country from fascism.

To the extent our attitudes and interactions with them will influence their contribution in this effort (primarily their votes) we should keep in mind the imperative goal of winning elections.

Actual forgiveness resides in the heart of each person in a position to forgive -- especially among those most injured.

True redemption must be sought, through actions, by those who acknowledge the wrong they have done.

To me, forgiveness is like trust; it must be earned. If I believe someome has honestly found redemption, I might forgive an individual person. It may depend on the severity of the injury.

The injuries caused by the election of Donald Trump are widespread and severe, affecting more than myself and circle of family & friends.

Forgiveness truly is a matter of the heart in each of us. Sometimes, the family member of a slain victim can only begin to heal through forgiveness.

Of this I am certain:
Our country needs healing, but first we must defeat the fascists who are destroying it.

Also:
The fascist strategy has been to turn Americans against each other, to divide and conquer. Decades of propaganda have heavily influenced many otherwise decent folks who lack the necessary critical thinking skills to break out of the bubble in which they were raised or into which they were misled.

This is in no way excuses adult citizens who should know better, or hateful racists beyond redemption. I don't foresee a day when all Americans will be united, but I do believe it is possible to overcome the current threat and to start building a better future.

It is up to each of us, individually and collectively.

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I can only speak for myself, a white male born 1957 in Chicago Martin Eden Aug 2025 #9
Re This: JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #10
I don't have your experiences, and don't question it Martin Eden Aug 2025 #11
They aren't a bloc of voters JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #12
What you describe is a monolithic bloc in the sense they are unified by hatred of the same people. Martin Eden Aug 2025 #15
Agree to disagree JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #16
I rub shoulders with some Trump voters, but they're not my friends. Martin Eden Aug 2025 #18
So.would you suggest JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #19
ABSOLUTELY NOT is my answer to your first question Martin Eden Aug 2025 #20
They deserve no forgiveness or redemption JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #21
I like everything you wrote here, except one paragraph Martin Eden Aug 2025 #22
Yep JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #23
Careless People JustAnotherGen Aug 2025 #17
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