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Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Now that Scalia has died, are gun-lovers feeling... [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)98. Wow. Just wow. Thats a startling admission.
        Unlike gun-nuts, gun control folks want the carnage to end...They're tired of gun-loving nuts shooting up places in this country, killing children & other living creatures. 
Just because we don't agree on the means doesn't mean we don't agree that there is a problem. Its high time you guys dispensed with these notions to the contrary, which amount to a form of moral blackmail.
The conservatives on the Supreme Court favored continuing the carnage; the liberals sought to diminish the prevalence of guns. I am a Democrat & liberal, so I side with the liberals instead of extending selfish property rights. How about you? Do you side with Scalia or instead with Breyer? 
Wow. Just wow. Thats a startling admission. You don't want the court to do its job and interpret the constitution correctly regardless of where the legalities lead, you want it to legislate from the bench.
Do you side with Scalia or instead with Breyer? 
I side with the constitution, regardless of where it takes us at this point in time. You side with legislating from the bench, and you just said as much. Nothing you say really makes much difference after that, does it? Nope.
Let me help you in making a decision: Justice Breyer (in dissent) wrote, "In sum, the Framers did not write the Second Amendment in order to protect a private right of armed self defense. There has been, and is, no consensus that the right is, or was, 'fundamental.'" (Wikipedia) So, who do you side with here, Scalia or Breyer? 
Breyer is demonstrably wrong, and he knows hes demonstrably wrong. Side with him if you want, but be aware that it makes you demonstrably wrong too. Here, again, I side with the constitution, regardless of who gets it right. I can argue in my own words why that's true. Lets see you argue in your own words, why it isn't.
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        Setting precedent then overturning it later is a long standing SCOTUS tradition. eom
        MohRokTah
        Feb 2016
        #23
      
        
        But that's my point. You gave a fair spread on "Those we hate and those we love"
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #30
      
        
        re: "...they would do what they can so that a Republican president can appoint Scalia's replacement?
        discntnt_irny_srcsm
        Feb 2016
        #7
      
        
        Now if I was a ban minded control happy Chicago or DC politician...
        discntnt_irny_srcsm
        Feb 2016
        #13
      
        
        Many times they know 4 would look at a case, but when it is obvious nothing would be changed,...
        MohRokTah
        Feb 2016
        #25
      
        
        then I challenge you to get the data...I make you a bet, for fun, that polls of young people
        Jackie Wilson Said
        Feb 2016
        #107
      
        
        The collective right interpretation was the de facto interpretation prior to Heller.
        MohRokTah
        Feb 2016
        #92
      
        
        Not sure this so called collective right theory is gonna ever fly again, if it really ever did...
        jmg257
        Feb 2016
        #108
      
        
        I've noticed that sort tend to have problems playing well with others
        friendly_iconoclast
        Feb 2016
        #187
      
        
        Your link makes reference to US v Miller, and that may not be a good thing for your argument --
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #33
      
        
        Yes, and the purpose of the militia is to guarantee a free state, not "The State."
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #38
      
        
        "Well-Regulated" doesn't mean "constrained to the point in inoperability"
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #40
      
        
        "how you make the connection that this unorganized militia cannot be regulated by the states?"
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #60
      
        
        You should conclude that the militia is a sub-set of the people to whom the right belongs.
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #70
      
        
        I agree that the UNorganized militia is not the well-regulated militias secured by the 2nd.
        jmg257
        Feb 2016
        #134
      
        
        "Thus obvious to some of us, the 2nd amendment is worthless and obsolete"
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #152
      
        
        Those of an authoritarian mindset tend to do a lot of 'special pleading'...
        friendly_iconoclast
        Feb 2016
        #143
      
        
        "Remember also that the Amendment refers to 'the people' rather than 'any and every individual(s)'."
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #63
      
        
        When your "the people != individuals" argument was tested with the 1A, 4A, 9A and 10A you
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #164
      
        
        How does your interpretation only apply to the 2A but not the other amendments?
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #166
      
        
        Yes, we are discussing the 2A, which is why your departure from every other instance of
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #168
      
        
        Stop hiding behind a dead man. Does the exclusion of women and non-whites still apply?
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #185
      
        
        The militia is a subset of the people. The right belongs to the people.
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #190
      
        
        Why do we want a strict Militia interpretation?? Is everyone gassing for M16s, M4s and M9s?
        jmg257
        Feb 2016
        #35
      
        
        I don't know a single person, "gun nut" or otherwise, who feels that way.
        Lizzie Poppet
        Feb 2016
        #91
      
        
        Yes. And you selected that as the delineation for whether or not a person has credibility.
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #120
      
        
        So law degrees only count when you want them to based on which of your qualifications?
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #127
      
        
        How long have *you* had a law degree, and what area of law is your specialty?
        friendly_iconoclast
        Feb 2016
        #131
      
        
        Not to mention that legally, the Breyer "Dissent" is "not worth a bucket of warm spit" ...
        DonP
        Feb 2016
        #121
      
        
        I've asked the OP another question downthread that will probably also be dodged
        friendly_iconoclast
        Feb 2016
        #132
      
        
        Quick! Run out and buy more guns. They're coming to take you away, ah hah           eom
        mikehiggins
        Feb 2016
        #102
      
        
        Usually when someone writes that they actually want guns to be taken away.
        Nuclear Unicorn
        Feb 2016
        #116
      
        
        There has been an outbreak of factose intolerance amongst the gun-averse in this thread...
        friendly_iconoclast
        Feb 2016
        #140