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166. Sigh, Duckhunter935, it is not theft if I am leaving a situation in the most expedient manner

Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:47 PM

Feb 2016

that I perceive as dangerous. If the restaurant caught on fire should I wait to pay the check? If I smell gas, should I wait to pay the check? If I see someone I do not know carrying a firearm capable of killing in an instant and cannot ascertain the state of mind (as you said, I'm not a mind reader) or the intent of the person should I not do the prudent thing and evacuate the area immediately and in the most expedient manner? Do I have to put my family in a situation I have no control over just to satisfy some gun owner's need to compensate or intimidate? I think not.

It isn't paranoia, it is common sense to not put myself or family in a situation of potential danger if I can do otherwise. You want to carry in public? Fine, be prepared to be treated as the pariah you are.

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So the firearm made her do it? GGJohn Feb 2016 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #2

"Mama didn't raise no victim!" stone space Feb 2016 #3

And those pictures mean what? GGJohn Feb 2016 #4

If I saw her and her Open Carry buddies in a restaurant, I'd leave immediately. stone space Feb 2016 #5

~~~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #6

Leave without paying your bill and you'll be the one arrested. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #7

Threats seem to be all the NRA has. stone space Feb 2016 #8

Really? When did the NRA say that? GGJohn Feb 2016 #9

I've been arrested many, many times, before. stone space Feb 2016 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Feb 2016 #11

Threatened you? GGJohn Feb 2016 #12

Yes, you threatened me with arrest right here: stone space Feb 2016 #14

I threatened you with arrest? GGJohn Feb 2016 #15

It's not just a threat, it's an empty threat. stone space Feb 2016 #16

This is too fucking funny. GGJohn Feb 2016 #17

Do you have an example or not? stone space Feb 2016 #18

LOL, nice rant, GGJohn Feb 2016 #19

Your threats of arrest are empty. (nt) stone space Feb 2016 #20

LOL, pure comedy gold. GGJohn Feb 2016 #22

Perhaps you think double murders are funny? stone space Feb 2016 #23

Perhaps you should take a course on reading comprehension. GGJohn Feb 2016 #24

Let us know when *you're* willing to take the onus for Barbara Graham AKA Barbara Lipscomb, mmkay? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #26

I'm not sure what your point is. stone space Feb 2016 #27

If *we* are supposed to wear Dunnachie, you should likewise wear Graham/Lipscomb friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #35

How is running for our lives asking you to wear anything? stone space Feb 2016 #37

Why would you be running for your lives? GGJohn Feb 2016 #39

This is why we would run for our lives. stone space Feb 2016 #40

Why? What are they doing that would cause you to run? GGJohn Feb 2016 #42

Dunnachie represents us in the same way that Barbara Graham/Lipscomb represents you friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #43

I don't think you read what I said. stone space Feb 2016 #44

Running for your life from what threat? GGJohn Feb 2016 #45

But Dunnachie didn't commit those murders in public, did she? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #47

"It's not a clip, it's a magazine!" stone space Feb 2016 #53

You should probably put down your mouse and back away slowly tularetom Feb 2016 #54

If they don't pay for the meal, they likely would be Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #77

If I see this, I'm running for my life! stone space Feb 2016 #79

What emergency do you see? GGJohn Feb 2016 #80

I am NOT a thief. Please stop calling me that. (nt) stone space Feb 2016 #83

Apparently you have a reading comprehension. GGJohn Feb 2016 #85

I'm not going to spend my day worrying about hypothetical scenarios. Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #84

It wasn't hypothetical to the legitimate unarmed customers of that resturaunt. stone space Feb 2016 #87

Really? That "group" murdered 2 people? GGJohn Feb 2016 #89

"It's not a clip, it's a magazine!" stone space Feb 2016 #91

You said, and I quote, GGJohn Feb 2016 #92

Agreed Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #95

well he is happy getting his public paycheck Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #104

Is there a problem with me being employed? stone space Feb 2016 #109

not at all, I also feel the server and Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #110

We are talking about a life and death situation, and you're channeling Adam Smith? stone space Feb 2016 #114

What life and death situation? GGJohn Feb 2016 #116

This life and death situation. stone space Feb 2016 #118

how many were killed by them in that restaurant? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #121

Where do you see a life and death situation? GGJohn Feb 2016 #122

one of his several Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #126

I do not know? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #119

Do you want us to work for free? stone space Feb 2016 #123

do you want the server to work for free? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #127

What blatant attack on public employees? GGJohn Feb 2016 #130

well, I have over 30 Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #133

Absoulutely it is, GGJohn Feb 2016 #135

beats me, I just know everything is Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #139

what life and death? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #117

This life and death situation. stone space Feb 2016 #120

your paycheck came into it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #124

My paycheck is a personal matter, and not your concern. stone space Feb 2016 #128

so is the server's, right Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #129

When you bash your fellow DUers for getting a paycheck, ... stone space Feb 2016 #132

But yet you would deny a business owner or server money by running out on a food bill? GGJohn Feb 2016 #134

I am not bashing you for getting a paycheck Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #136

You have no reason to even bring my paycheck into the discussion. stone space Feb 2016 #138

you did when you brought the servers paycheck into the discussion Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #140

You have no reason to even bring my personal paycheck into the discussion. stone space Feb 2016 #141

but it ok to withhold the helps paycheck Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #142

Too, too funny. GGJohn Feb 2016 #131

Wow, that's a fine pretzel you made of the words he said. GGJohn Feb 2016 #125

Three days, max Puha Ekapi Feb 2016 #96

Betting pool? GGJohn Feb 2016 #97

Seems more intense each reappearance. Hangingon Feb 2016 #144

5 Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #112

That poster has no "rheostat" DonP Feb 2016 #137

Is GGJohn a law enforcement office with the authority to arrest? Marengo Feb 2016 #78

Nope, GGJohn Feb 2016 #81

Of course not. Nobody in that capacity would make such threats. stone space Feb 2016 #82

OMG. LOL, GGJohn Feb 2016 #86

What "emergency"? Marengo Feb 2016 #93

a fact is not a threat Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #102

... GGJohn Feb 2016 #13

I think his smokey old Evinrude died in a tank pond. No bites today. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #21

So, you've been arrested many, many times? branford Feb 2016 #25

Good Lord! This is a Democratic website. stone space Feb 2016 #28

You stated you would leave a restaurant without paying branford Feb 2016 #32

So what? Do you have a problem with nonviolence? stone space Feb 2016 #33

Jeez Lois, this is just too funny. GGJohn Feb 2016 #34

No, you should be ashamed branford Feb 2016 #36

I am NOT ashamed. stone space Feb 2016 #38

... GGJohn Feb 2016 #41

Skipping out on a restaurant bill isnt "non violence", it's petty theft DonP Feb 2016 #58

I'm not a petty criminal. stone space Feb 2016 #64

If you skip out without paying for your food, you most certainly are, GGJohn Feb 2016 #66

Are you acusing me of being a thief? (nt) stone space Feb 2016 #68

Thief, not theif. GGJohn Feb 2016 #69

Are you acusing me of being a thief? Yes or no? stone space Feb 2016 #70

You said you would leave an eating establishment without paying, GGJohn Feb 2016 #71

you all but called me a racist Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #106

I'm not going to revise a statement that I didn't make. stone space Feb 2016 #107

so am I a racist Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #108

Why are you doing this? stone space Feb 2016 #111

LOL, this is pure comedy gold, GGJohn Feb 2016 #115

Jeez dude, GGJohn Feb 2016 #113

I would prefer that you left at least enough of a tip to gejohnston Feb 2016 #75

What does this have to do with my post? stone space Feb 2016 #76

false equivalence gejohnston Feb 2016 #88

You need to check your wheel bearings... Puha Ekapi Feb 2016 #94

I don't claim to be a track star, and I won't win any marathons, but... stone space Feb 2016 #98

Again, what emergency do you see in that picture? GGJohn Feb 2016 #103

Our interlocutor has so far produced zero accounts of shootings in restaurants *or* classrooms... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #143

I would have thought he Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #145

Maybe he found the Luby's Cafeteria shooting story? DonP Feb 2016 #146

I doubt she would either Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #147

so you would commit theft Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #101

It is not theft if you believe your life is in danger and you flee to safety. flamin lib Feb 2016 #148

how would your life be in danger Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #150

It is reasonable because I THINK it is just a stand your ground is justified if you THINK flamin lib Feb 2016 #152

good luck with that Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #153

l believe that anyone suffering from Agoraphobia so severe that they cannot leave home flamin lib Feb 2016 #156

What you believe is irrelevant to what the law actually says. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #157

yep, the paranoia is strong Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #158

Uh, Duckhunter935, being afraid to leave home without a gun seems a lot more flamin lib Feb 2016 #159

wow, now a mind reader, you are good Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #160

Stand there as long as ya' want Duckhunter935. flamin lib Feb 2016 #162

so you still advocate theft Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #163

Sigh, Duckhunter935, it is not theft if I am leaving a situation in the most expedient manner flamin lib Feb 2016 #166

false comparison gejohnston Feb 2016 #167

It is not a false comparison and no, I wouldn't go in that Apple store. flamin lib Feb 2016 #169

yes it is, you just refuse to see it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #171

I see you are still trying to conflate Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #168

You are beginning to bore me. flamin lib Feb 2016 #170

to bad, I am glad I have zero on ignore Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #172

Wiki is not the best source gejohnston Feb 2016 #173

The arguement being made here in this thread is that... stone space Feb 2016 #174

that's bullshit and you know it Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #175

No, I am most certainly NOT a thief. STOP CALLING ME A THIEF, GOD DAMN IT! stone space Feb 2016 #177

you will indeed be if you follow though on what you advocate Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #178

Again, I AM NOT A THIEF, GOD DAMN IT! stone space Feb 2016 #179

so what is a person that fails to pay a bill Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #181

A person running for his or her life is not a thief. stone space Feb 2016 #182

running from a holstered firearm? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #185

It will be considered theft unless YOU can prove that a reasonable person Lurks Often Feb 2016 #188

Me thinks thou doth protest too much. GGJohn Feb 2016 #191

yes he does Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #192

Don't forget about he's also been "arrested many, many times before!" nt branford Feb 2016 #195

true Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #196

All is good. I've just been busy with work. branford Feb 2016 #198

Are you feeling ok? Puha Ekapi Feb 2016 #197

Millions of people, perhaps tens of millions of people, carry every day. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #201

Especially when they could all "snap" at any minute DonP Feb 2016 #202

Uh, no, it's not, but good luck with that defense if you ever try to use it GGJohn Feb 2016 #155

It has to be objectively reasonable gejohnston Feb 2016 #164

So someone carrying a holstered firearm sitting down to enjoy a meal is considered a threat GGJohn Feb 2016 #151

yep, and fuck the server and business owner Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #154

Please stop threatening people with arrest. stone space Feb 2016 #180

he is not threatening you at all Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #183

There would be no arrest. That's just an empty threat. (nt) stone space Feb 2016 #184

for you think the waitress should be paid like you? Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #186

To hell with the minimum wage waitstaff, he's a "professor" and knows better. DonP Feb 2016 #187

notice how he never answered my question Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #193

Stop lying about what people post Lurks Often Feb 2016 #189

Oh, it's you again lying about what I actually meant. GGJohn Feb 2016 #190

he stopped posting Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #194

Not yet, but it'll happen soon enough Lurks Often Feb 2016 #199

I particularly like the sharing of all the family photo albums DonP Feb 2016 #200

So if she had liability insurance on her gun... krispos42 Feb 2016 #29

If all her guns had been confiscated when she first started licking them in public, ... stone space Feb 2016 #30

Hey, why don't you post that picture again? GGJohn Feb 2016 #31

Your side is beginning to latch onto liability insurance... krispos42 Feb 2016 #49

If it were up to me, I'd... stone space Feb 2016 #50

Take away the guns? GGJohn Feb 2016 #51

All you guys have is threats, threats, and more threats. stone space Feb 2016 #52

Why do you wish for all that chaos and death? GGJohn Feb 2016 #55

More terroristic threats? WTF??? stone space Feb 2016 #56

You're the one making the threats. GGJohn Feb 2016 #59

Your threats of Domestic Terrorism don't impress me. stone space Feb 2016 #60

Why do you want to take away the firearms of law abiding Americans? GGJohn Feb 2016 #61

Why do you keep threatening war? stone space Feb 2016 #62

Why do you want to take away the firearms of law abiding Americans? GGJohn Feb 2016 #63

I will say... Puha Ekapi Feb 2016 #99

How do you expect folks to respond when somebody waves... stone space Feb 2016 #100

You're the one that wants to deny law abiding Americans of a Constitutional right, GGJohn Feb 2016 #105

Yeah, I get that impression. But tell me how liability insurance on guns... krispos42 Feb 2016 #65

Me, neither. stone space Feb 2016 #67

No you wouldn't. beevul Feb 2016 #72

The funerals would have paid for instead of burdening the family of the deceased. flamin lib Feb 2016 #149

But the murders were a crime that she committed, right? krispos42 Feb 2016 #161

If she is in control of her facilities, ie not insane, she is liable for her actions. flamin lib Feb 2016 #165

Thank you krispos42 Feb 2016 #176

X-Posted to LBN stone space Feb 2016 #46

...where it is against the LBN Terms of Service friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #48

Another... deathrind Feb 2016 #57

Lots of focus on the firearm... beevul Feb 2016 #73

And in the following case an innocent knife was forced to kill 3 people... Marengo Feb 2016 #90

I trust my wife with her 642. ileus Feb 2016 #74