Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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3. The turd in the pool

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 09:27 AM

Feb 2016

"Given that the Second Amendment does not establish the right to keep and bear arms but, rather, presumes it, one could argue that the presumption is mistaken."

One could argue anything. I could argue rainwater is Scotch and send your ass a bill after the next storm. Are the odds good that I'll ever collect anything?

Since you posted this imaginary 'let's pretend the world is flat' idea, I infer that you agree with it. Can you explain why it may be reasonable to PRESUME that the Founder's assumption is wrong? The article kind of skips over that. The author, Barry Gan, also states that people give up rights to their government in return for a promise from the government to protect their rights.

WHERE, can it be found in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that individuals "give up" any rights?

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The Fatally Flawed Second Amendment [View all] SecularMotion Feb 2016 OP

If only there were writings by the founders where we could look and see what they meant Press Virginia Feb 2016 #1

He can argue about the necessity of the Militias, but he seems confused on natural rights vs govt. jmg257 Feb 2016 #2

The turd in the pool discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #3

It's amazing, isn't it? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #6

I never feel quite so hopeless as when I read or hear... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #11

They're trying to engineer a rebalancing act. beevul Feb 2016 #14

The only problem with the 2A is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #15

Their arguments have a short shelf life, particularly now... beevul Feb 2016 #16

If he Founding Fathers TeddyR Feb 2016 #4

If it works the way the author claims it works... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #5

I do have the right to self defense....and that includes firearms. ileus Feb 2016 #7

Boy, did they bury the lede on this one. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #8

Constitution granted the right, not the second beardown Feb 2016 #9

Like the Bill of Rights, the Constitution did NOT grant the right. jmg257 Feb 2016 #12

Add another to the "wealth" of basement bloggers supporting gun control DonP Feb 2016 #10

"Plenty-O-Studies." Heh-heh. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #13