Gun Control & RKBA

ileus

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15. Guns are mechanical, whatever you "smart" them up with can be removed.

Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:12 AM

Jan 2016

any pins batteries boards and solonoids can be removed/disabled if stolen.

Now Smart guns could be good for new folks that don't really understand firearms, and wants a big chunky Self Defense firearm for the home that they can leave around for the kids to play with safely.

Once they newness has worn off they'll want a good CC gun, and that means compact and easy to conceal. That rules out "smart" guns for the most part.

The new owner will also eventually want a CZ75 and 1911 collector piece for polishing and admiring.

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NRA lies smartly exposed: The truth about consumer demand for life-saving smart guns [View all] SecularMotion Jan 2016 OP

But how can I use my gun against the gubmint jackboots if they can turn it off???? Human101948 Jan 2016 #1

Not all government oppressors wear jackboots. Some wore white bedsheets and hoods. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #3

That's a pipedream of idiots, a SD firearm is for personal and family safety. ileus Jan 2016 #16

One of my analysts is from the Urkraine. beardown Jan 2016 #20

Are you worried sarisataka Jan 2016 #21

You betcha! Human101948 Jan 2016 #22

Funny you mention that, gejohnston Jan 2016 #23

Ha! Kind of feel the same way. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #31

Trump does kind give off gejohnston Feb 2016 #54

I have a Samsung Galaxy 5S krispos42 Jan 2016 #2

How often has your gun saved your life? Human101948 Jan 2016 #4

As many times as my gun has krispos42 Jan 2016 #5

let the police use them first Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #7

Perhaps it would even the odds... Human101948 Jan 2016 #8

glad you agree they do not work Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #9

Don't have any evidence one way or the other... Human101948 Jan 2016 #10

I know how well my phone works. Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #11

" Murders" by police? TeddyR Jan 2016 #13

Yes, instead they use the reliable Glock Human101948 Jan 2016 #18

So switch to the M&P...oops! More accidental discharges! Human101948 Jan 2016 #19

what it really means is that gejohnston Jan 2016 #25

don't pull the trigger Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #29

Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #50

How many of those 1,000's of civilians were lawfully and legitimately shot branford Jan 2016 #41

Source? NT mog75 Feb 2016 #57

It only takes once...a risk many aren't willing to take. ileus Jan 2016 #17

How many times has your seatbelt or fire extinguisher saved your life? beevul Jan 2016 #51

We covered this over here: flamin lib Feb 2016 #58

The biometrics wasn't put to rest krispos42 Feb 2016 #60

No, it's not. Proven reliable just like seatbelts. Nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #61

Which system? the print reader or the transponder? krispos42 Feb 2016 #62

WTF difference does it make? flamin lib Feb 2016 #63

Interesting video- but most 'stupid' guns are very reliable these days,... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #64

Okay, the transponder technology. krispos42 Feb 2016 #65

The Mossberg technology works at 2 to 5 inches, has passed mil spec testing and is under testing for flamin lib Feb 2016 #67

Most gun rights supporters don't oppose the technology or further research per se. branford Feb 2016 #68

Moving the goal posts while doing everything possible to prevent the technology from flamin lib Feb 2016 #69

Where did I "move the goalposts?" branford Feb 2016 #72

Please see reply 71. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #73

Ah, the "people who don't agree with me are unreasonable" position, branford Feb 2016 #75

Spectacular news. krispos42 Feb 2016 #70

I am fucking done with this conversation. flamin lib Feb 2016 #71

Passing mil spec does not equal proven and reliable, no less for all lawful civilian purposes. branford Feb 2016 #74

I'd be interested in reading about the Mossberg krispos42 Feb 2016 #76

Armatek tested their gun in every conceivable environment. flamin lib Feb 2016 #79

Considering your vehemence that these guns be accepted wholesale and in large quantities... krispos42 Feb 2016 #80

I've got enough evidence to form some definite conclusions about you. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #81

If you believe these "smart guns" have proven their value and reliability, branford Feb 2016 #82

The same could well be said about many people- including you. nt friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #85

"You lose. You get nothing. Good day sir." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #77

Everyone is done conversing, until they aren't. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #83

. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #84

they better work better than my phone Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #6

I love the polling on this in the linked article krispos42 Jan 2016 #12

I'm not opposed to smart gun technology TeddyR Jan 2016 #14

Guns are mechanical, whatever you "smart" them up with can be removed. ileus Jan 2016 #15

IMHO if smart guns were mandated by law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #26

As a firearm owner I will not buy one of these smart. Firearms are simple tools, that is why they Waldorf Jan 2016 #24

The folks that want smart guns and smart gun laws.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27

Those are the standard NRA arguments against smart guns SecularMotion Jan 2016 #28

until then Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #30

How would you feel about Bloomberg as Hillary's VP? SecularMotion Jan 2016 #32

Will it become your new favorite group? beevul Jan 2016 #33

I think he likes Google Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #35

when they block you Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #34

I've visited that group a couple times. I could swear I saw a couple tumbleweeds blowing about. Waldorf Jan 2016 #44

only a couple Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #45

How would you feel about sarisataka Jan 2016 #36

Bloomberg running against Bernie running against Trump? SecularMotion Jan 2016 #37

So would you encourage people to sarisataka Jan 2016 #38

I support Hillary as long as she is in the race. SecularMotion Jan 2016 #43

I don't see Bloomberg sarisataka Jan 2016 #47

Well... beevul Jan 2016 #52

I don't think so gejohnston Jan 2016 #40

Bloomberg isn't going to be anyone's VP gejohnston Jan 2016 #39

I think the strongest ticket for the Democratic Party would be Clinton-Castro SecularMotion Jan 2016 #46

I can think of a few better Democratic candidates other than Clinton gejohnston Jan 2016 #48

Ooooooo I know. Double your influence! beevul Jan 2016 #49

So it appears you do agree that they are less reliable than todays firearms and more expensive. :) Waldorf Jan 2016 #42

They already are. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #59

So let the market do its thing and stop mandating them before the technology is mature hack89 Feb 2016 #66

I don't see any lies. I see strawmen. Now deconstructed. beevul Jan 2016 #53

Another blue-ribbon post. pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #55

Well... beevul Feb 2016 #56

I'm waiting for the day ... Straw Man Feb 2016 #78