Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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72. even if the other were alive, doesn't matter

Reply to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #71)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 08:58 AM

Mar 2015

any conflicting evidence goes to the defendant. We still have three witnesses and forensics. There is no doubt Martin had Zimmerman in a ground and pound beating his head in on the sidewalk. There is little doubt Zimmerman was the one screaming for help.
No, it is not a legal order. "We don't need you to do that" is not an order as the operator said. There is no evidence Zimmerman wasn't walking back to his car when he was attacked.

will politely agree to disagree with you because, as far as I'm concerned, being told that officers were on the way and "we don't need you to do that" (following him) means to wait at your vehicle until the officers arrive... even if it wasn't a lawful order.

except that he was walking back to his vehicle when he was ambushed and attacked.

This is why I didn't get into all the threads about it when it happened, and this is the last I'm going to say about it. Zimmerman hunted Trayvon down, Trayvon may have confronted him... and shit went bad quickly. You can have the last word if you wish to...

There is no evidence to support the claim. The evidence (including Trayvon's phone dump) shows Trayvon as the initial aggressor. I know the phone wasn't admitted, but should have been and could have been a reversible error. I think he was in the bushes by Jayne Surdyka's house waiting for Zimmerman to walk back to his car. She said she heard the louder voice several minutes before the confrontation. The person with the deeper voice, possibly talking on the phone.

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Gun related post here, feel free to avoid the territory [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 OP

Zimmerman gunstalked an unarmed Black kid with a bag of skittles. stone space Mar 2015 #1

vote please discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #2

Except that's not what happened. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #3

Bullshit. Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murder. stone space May 2016 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #102

Yet he's not TeddyR May 2016 #112

You are wrong. Zimmerman IS a murderer. stone space May 2016 #117

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated? Lurks Often May 2016 #121

I guess you really do not know Duckhunter935 May 2016 #122

I'm not familiar enough with Florida law to say. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #4

Neither am I discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #13

He followed the law.. virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #5

nobody knows who was the first agressor gejohnston Mar 2015 #6

I'll go out on a limb here discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #14

I would say stupid gejohnston Mar 2015 #17

I'm with you on all of that discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #18

Bingo.......and this is why I believe that Florida passed new legislation post Z pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #19

I don't remember seeing that gejohnston Mar 2015 #20

"He wasn't driving around playing security guard or anything like that." pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #21

Let me know if you find anything on that discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #46

Zimmerman was the first aggressor, plain and simple. He was armed, playing self appointed Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #22

He was not told to stay in the car gejohnston Mar 2015 #23

SWING... virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #33

"He was not told to stay in the car". When it first happened, that's what I read somewhere... Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #57

still wrong gejohnston Mar 2015 #60

He was told that officers were already on the way, then Zimmerman said "he's running away now" Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #71

even if the other were alive, doesn't matter gejohnston Mar 2015 #72

All you have to do is look at what Martin was doing when he was shot and what was happening braddy May 2016 #126

That does not matter to some... virginia mountainman May 2016 #131

The Gunstalker was the first aggessor. stone space Mar 2015 #24

you have been lied to as well gejohnston Mar 2015 #25

Following a kid with gun is Gunstalking. (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #26

you didn't have time to read my reply gejohnston Mar 2015 #27

You support the murderous Gunstalker Zimmerman. I don't. stone space Mar 2015 #28

I support the facts and the truth gejohnston Mar 2015 #29

I have never cheated my students. You are a bald faced liar. stone space Mar 2015 #30

I never accused you of anything gejohnston Mar 2015 #31

You accused me of cheating my students. stone space Mar 2015 #32

your emotions are getting in the way ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #85

You strongly implied, suggested, or inferred it, obviously, gejohn....Maybe an edit or an apology? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #35

2-5 to leave, if you're interested petronius Mar 2015 #36

So if was not a personal attack it was just an ad hominem attack on mathematicians? Still not cool. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #56

It's neither a personal attack blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #59

Like I said, ad hominem. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #61

Um, no. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #62

Could be a strawman attack then? Imputing general incompetency from one dubious example? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #63

Um, no. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #64

Look up the meaning of the word "if", Fred. N/t beevul May 2016 #87

Here is a novel idea, discuss the actual laws and the case Lurks Often Mar 2015 #37

But, then you cannot engage blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #38

We'll see if I get an answer at all from the calculuz teacher Lurks Often Mar 2015 #39

What do my calculus classes have to do with Goerge Zimmerman's Gunstalking? stone space Mar 2015 #40

Yet again you avoid answering simple, direct questions Lurks Often Mar 2015 #41

If George Zimmerman shows up in my calculus class armed, he's going to jail. stone space Mar 2015 #42

LOL, Still not an answer Lurks Often Mar 2015 #44

Maybe he's one of those "Online" Calculuz teachers? DonP Mar 2015 #48

Probably still upset his GD post got locked as META within 15 minutes Lurks Often Mar 2015 #49

Ooooh, I missed that DonP Mar 2015 #50

Here is the post Lurks Often Mar 2015 #55

Hmmm? Maybe a new behavior pattern emerging - twice in a week now DonP Mar 2015 #58

Hell he stalked me by PM Duckhunter935 May 2016 #91

Iove it when he whines like that Duckhunter935 May 2016 #90

Lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #89

Genuinely curious sarisataka Mar 2015 #47

What is it with you not being able to answer a question directly? eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #68

Good question Duckhunter935 May 2016 #92

someone who sat through the whole thing gejohnston Mar 2015 #7

"gun fanciers are still celebrating Zman walking free" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #8

Damn!!!! GGJohn Mar 2015 #9

to bad he had to fail at facts 101 Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #10

When it comes to the firearm issue, GGJohn Mar 2015 #11

true, and he has a "safe haven" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #12

re: "...laws down in Florida..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #15

very true Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #16

No, Zimmerman is a racist, gun-stalking, cold-blooded murderer. stone space May 2016 #80

Would you be willing to place oneshooter May 2016 #86

I am not a murderer. stone space May 2016 #88

You murder logic with impunity quite frequently, hereabouts. N/T beevul May 2016 #94

Lies. Straw Man May 2016 #95

That is your favorite word, lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #103

Who, me? Straw Man May 2016 #109

Yep, should have been to Stoney Duckhunter935 May 2016 #110

What lie? oneshooter May 2016 #97

How many other people given a fair trial do you want incarcerated? Lurks Often May 2016 #98

Zimmerman is a racist cold blooded murderer, and his DU supporters are trolls. stone space May 2016 #100

More personals attacks from you, just shows that you don't understand criminal law Lurks Often May 2016 #101

How is that a personal attack? Folks who support cold-blooded murder are trolls. stone space May 2016 #104

Quick! You need to alert Skinner in ATA to all the Trolls on his website you've found! DonP May 2016 #107

Lol, he did when he was mad at me for posting his unwanted PMs Duckhunter935 May 2016 #111

Uh oh, what did I miss? N/T beevul May 2016 #118

Let me hunt down the posts Duckhunter935 May 2016 #123

here, hasd to post down thread as he accused me of harrassment Duckhunter935 May 2016 #142

Thats rich. beevul May 2016 #150

And he posted an outright lie in this post I had to correct Duckhunter935 May 2016 #151

*Snort* beevul May 2016 #115

Only he wasn't convicted Lurks Often May 2016 #108

You know what else is a "simple statement of fact"? TeddyR May 2016 #113

No, Zimmerman IS a racist cold-blooded murderer. stone space May 2016 #116

Answer the question TeddyR May 2016 #119

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want jailed? Lurks Often May 2016 #120

Lol, wrong again Duckhunter935 May 2016 #124

WTF??? Why should my students sue me? How have I committed "malpractice"? stone space May 2016 #134

My post stated the reason Duckhunter935 May 2016 #135

I voted "other." Zimmerman broke no current laws, and I'm not sure if the laws need... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #43

^^^ exactamundo discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #45

It is not against the law for a white man to stalk and murder a black teenager wearing a hoodie Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #51

What??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #52

I've been watching the courts for years, and in most cases such murders are unpunished. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #53

Thanks for your vote and opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #54

Would you feel the same if the races were reversed? n/t oneshooter Mar 2015 #65

It isn't a feeling. It is a fact of modern life in the USA. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #66

Would you "feel" the same about this if the races were reversed. oneshooter Mar 2015 #67

The races aren't going to be reversed. We are discussing reality not a fantasy novel. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #69

you mean mixed race Hispanic privilege? gejohnston Mar 2015 #70

Check "White Priveledge." Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #73

Yeah gejohnston Mar 2015 #74

Actualy it describes racism here in the USA. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #75

I did check it out gejohnston Mar 2015 #76

It amazes me just how much support Zimmerman has in this forum. stone space May 2016 #77

Zimmerman was and is a Dumbass in my opinion... mackdaddy May 2016 #82

thanks for your vote discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #125

Zimmerman gets no support in this forum. ManiacJoe May 2016 #128

In what other DU group would 62% of respondents say Zman acted reasonably? stone space May 2016 #133

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated? Lurks Often May 2016 #140

Funny, never could get an answer Duckhunter935 May 2016 #145

Because it would show his complete lack of understanding Lurks Often May 2016 #147

If the case hadn't been politicized, gejohnston May 2016 #146

Claiming that Zimmerman acted reasonably is an opinion, not a fact. stone space May 2016 #155

The jury disagreed with you, as do most people who understand criminal law Lurks Often May 2016 #156

there is an objective standard for reasonableness gejohnston May 2016 #157

Time to resave the list. I see that it is changing from last time I copied it. stone space May 2016 #79

it is an empirical question gejohnston May 2016 #81

Gunz and ammo in the hands are civilians is a bad thing. ileus May 2016 #83

I voted "other." He broke no laws, but he blurred the line twixt neighborhood patrol... Eleanors38 May 2016 #84

I would contend that the only reason why this poll scores majority support for Zimmerman... stone space May 2016 #93

Are you suggesting ... Straw Man May 2016 #96

Of course he is. Its not like its ambiguous. beevul May 2016 #99

Many practice runs, Duckhunter935 May 2016 #106

He all but called me a racist Duckhunter935 May 2016 #105

Are you calling everyone who responded to the poll TeddyR May 2016 #114

"The responce rate of racists" Big_Mike May 2016 #130

WTF??? Does it make you feel superior to call me "mentally limited"? stone space May 2016 #132

You are the one that all but called me and others racist Duckhunter935 May 2016 #137

Stop harassing me. stone space May 2016 #138

Why are you against free speech? Lurks Often May 2016 #139

I expect he will run away again Duckhunter935 May 2016 #143

He has a strong aversion to facts and the truth Lurks Often May 2016 #144

Yet, I am the harrasser, lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #148

Oh, you want to go there again, OK Duckhunter935 May 2016 #141

Oh good grief. beevul May 2016 #149

Wow, we'll stated Duckhunter935 May 2016 #136

Thank you Big_Mike May 2016 #152

Polite seems to be the way, I have found Duckhunter935 May 2016 #153

Likewise, and I understand completely. n/t Big_Mike May 2016 #154

I'm torn between A & C tularetom May 2016 #127

Zimmerman's actions were not illegal and were not reasonable. ManiacJoe May 2016 #129