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friendly_iconoclast

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24. "Case closed!" Not really, you're using a associational and/or genetic fallacy
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 11:33 PM
Feb 2015

My response to people who make arguments like yours:

https://www.google.com/search?q=kennedy+cape+wind&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com#q=kennedy+koch+%22Cape+Wind%22+site:democraticunderground.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/us/koch-brother-wages-12-year-fight-over-wind-farm.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Koch Brother Wages 12-Year Fight Over Wind Farm
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

OSTERVILLE, Mass. — If the vast wind farm proposed for Nantucket Sound is ever built, William I. Koch will have a spectacular view of it.

Of course, that is the last thing he wants. Mr. Koch, a billionaire industrialist who made his fortune in fossil fuels and whose better-known brothers underwrite conservative political causes, has been fighting the wind farm, called Cape Wind, for more than a decade, donating about $5 million and leading an adversarial group against it. He believes that Cape Wind’s 130 industrial turbines would not only create what he calls “visual pollution” but also increase the cost of electricity for everyone.

Now, as if placing a bet on the outcome of the battle, Mr. Koch, 73, who has owned an exclusive summer compound here for years, has acquired an even grander one — Rachel Mellon’s 26-acre waterfront estate in the gated community of Oyster Harbors, for $19.5 million. He has also bought the nearby 12-plus-acre Dupont estate. All of this adds up to a prime perch over Nantucket Sound...

...Mr. Koch is not the only opponent of Cape Wind. The late Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat, whose Hyannis family compound also looked out on Nantucket Sound, opposed the project too...



Or:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/30/murdoch-bloomberg-testify_n_745499.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/15/news/la-pn-murdoch-bloomberg-applaud-obama-immigration-order-20120615


Murdoch, Bloomberg applaud Obama immigration order
June 15, 2012|By Kim Geiger


WASHINGTON – President Obama’s decision to allow some young illegal immigrants to work legally in the United States drew applause from business leaders across the political spectrum.

Business leaders have long argued that the United States’ current immigration policy makes the country less competitive.

Rupert Murdoch, chairman and chief executive of News Corp., joined Alcoa Chief Executive Klaus Kleinfeld and Viacom Chief Executive Philippe Dauman in issuing a full-throated endorsement of the president’s new policy.

“We hope this prompts Congress to reach agreement on common-sense immigration policies that reflect American labor market needs and American values,” the group said in a joint statement. “Young people who had no choice over coming to this country, have grown up here and now want to become productive members of our society should not be treated like criminals.”...

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She sounds like a Republican. GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #1
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Why? progressoid Feb 2015 #3
corporatist lawyer jimruymen Feb 2015 #4
She sounds like another of Pres Obama's disappointing appointees. Not a progressive rhett o rick Feb 2015 #5
Nope. Hell, even his Supreme Court nominees voted to allow wage theft by Amazon. Scuba Feb 2015 #9
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No, they recognized that Congress had voted to allow it. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #15
Their job is to overrule Congress if appropriate. That's a big part of what the SCOTUS is for. Scuba Feb 2015 #16
Only in cases of violations of the Constitution. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #18
Exactly. Are you arguing that the law allowing wage theft is Constitutional? Scuba Feb 2015 #19
Are you arguing that the Constitution requires overtime pay? Jim Lane Feb 2015 #20
Work without pay sure sounds like "involuntary servitude", but maybe that's just me. Scuba Feb 2015 #21
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Your MiRT example is wholly inapposite. merrily Feb 2015 #28
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I thought class wars began thousands of years ago, and almost always with government being of the merrily Feb 2015 #29
touche Adam051188 Feb 2015 #31
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I don't support legalization of marijuana, either, unless you release ALL black and brown men Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #13
Your characterization of the OP is indefensible. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #17
I don't give a fuck about Rand Paul or what he thinks. As long as he's Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #23
"Case closed!" Not really, you're using a associational and/or genetic fallacy friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #24
There is nothing you can tell me, no article you can post, or write that would EVER lead me to Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #25
Pointing out that a racist is correct on *one* subject isn't giving them a character reference friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #32
Good examples. I remember making the same point about NAFTA. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #30
If Paul said that 2+2=4, those who pointed out that he was correct in that instance would be... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #33
Our interlocutor seems bent on avoiding actually discussing what Riker brought up friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #34
I DON'T SUPPORT RACISTS!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #26
ITA on releasing and wiping clean JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #27
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