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William Seger

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10. No, Hanjour did not demonstrate any amazing abilities
Sat Nov 15, 2014, 01:55 AM
Nov 2014

... which is the point of the OP, to which you replied:

> Obviously to do a perfect 270 degree descending turn at >500 mph and end up at the ground floor of a 4 story building takes lots of skill.

Perhaps it would, but that's not what happened. Anyone can watch the animation made from the FDR data and see how fast he was actually flying and how wobbly the "perfect 270 degree descending turn" was.

> If it was 400 MPH it wouldn't change the point you missed. But Hanjour demonstrated amazing abilities, didn't he. A descending turn at 2,3,4 or 450 MPH and hitting the ground floor of the Pentagon.

The turn was around 300 mph and sloppy, and "hitting the ground floor" means he barely missed the ground. And the bridge before that. And you say the point I missed is that "Hanjour demonstrated amazing abilities?" No, based on what actually happened rather than exaggerations and hyperbole from "truther" propaganda, I'm not picking nits to reject that claim as being part of any "big picture."

> You're assuming again, Billy. I don't have a theory.

Well, maybe if you could come up with one, these threads would be more productive for both of us.

> I stated that Hanjour hit the ground floor. Nothing more, nothing less. And he did come out of a 330 degree downward descent and hit The Ground Floor. Pretty amazing. You couldn't do it.

I can easily make that turn and hit the Pentagon in Microsoft Flight Simulator, which is a fairly accurate simulation of how a 757 behaves, but hitting the ground floor means I just barely succeeded. Hanjour may have been a crappy pilot, but he was a pilot and he had trained in a sophisticated simulator.

> See the excerpt from Marshall's blog. It's right there in the post.

Yup, saw that, and I asked if you had some point that you wanted to make, hopefully somewhat relevant to the thread. I guess not.

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