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johndoeX

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Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:57 PM Jun 2014

William Seger - Epically Fails - Again [View all]

In Seger's newest blunder - he claims that Vne for small aircraft is essentially the same as Vd for large aircraft, so he can hold onto some sort of "Margin" above Vd, since his latest VG diagram shows an "Overspeed Margin" between Vne and the end of the flight envelope.

Now for reality...



NASA VGH (velocity,load factor and altitude) recorders were installed on 12 types of turboprop and turbojet aircraft during the period 1960-61. Analysis of these data showed that the operation speeds Vno were being exceeded significantly more frequently than had been experienced in operations of piston-engined transports.

Because of the structural implications of these studies, the regulatory agencies and industry dropped the use of Vne for commercial transports certified under FAR 25. In 1964 the maximum operating limit speed Vmo was introduced in FAR 25.1505; i.e., “Vmo Speeds; The maximum operating limit speed (Vmo/Mmo airpseed or Mach number, whichever is critical at that particular altitude) is a speed that may not be deliberately exceeded in any regime of flight (climb, cruise, or descent), unless a higher speed is authorized for flight test or pilot training.” - Structural Loads Analysis for Commercial Transport Aircraft: Theory and Practice - Ted L. Lomax - Google Books


(emphasis mine)

Vne in use on smaller aircraft is essentially 90% of Vd as mandated by the FAA.

As I have been trying to explain to Seger, ad nauseum, the margin for airspeed is between Vmo and Vd on Transport Category Aircraft.

Vd is the end of the flight envelope on all aircraft (small and large), regulated by the FAA. Period.

"Small aircraft" Flight Envelope.

Transport Category Flight Envelope

Now... it is game over, Seger.
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Maybe Billy is SIGDEV nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #1
Cult-leader wannabes are usually paranoid delusional egoists (n/t) William Seger Jun 2014 #4
Pilots for truth can't source structural failure speed of a 767 - failure again superbeachnut Jun 2014 #2
Beachy - do you agree with this person? johndoeX Jun 2014 #9
Sorry, Cap't Bob, but I have an unimpeachable source. William Seger Jun 2014 #3
Spin, obfuscate, deflect. johndoeX Jun 2014 #5
ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #6
When are you going to email the FAA with your claims Seger? johndoeX Jun 2014 #7
I've noticed that most "truthers" are hypocrits William Seger Jun 2014 #8
The only thing you have proven.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #10
No, I don't, and having to repeat myself so many times is really annoying William Seger Jun 2014 #12
"Uh, no I shouldn't if he's wrong. And he is.".... johndoeX Jun 2014 #13
Is that a "never?" (n/t) William Seger Jun 2014 #15
quote mine, who cares what the real defintion is, pilots for truth can find a quote to say otherwise superbeachnut Jun 2014 #16
BTW, is "EagleEye" one of your socks on your own forum? William Seger Jun 2014 #11
No he isn't me. johndoeX Jun 2014 #14
LOL, I don't recall even thinking about you since your last disaster here William Seger Jun 2014 #17
Hmmm... johndoeX Jun 2014 #18
U mad, Bro? (n/t) William Seger Jun 2014 #19
Actually... johndoeX Jun 2014 #21
A more recent face with a name William Seger Jun 2014 #22
lol... nice johndoeX Jun 2014 #23
Thanks William Seger Jun 2014 #24
"Thanks for the bump"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #25
You do know that SOME people will read past the OP, right? William Seger Jun 2014 #26
Of course - johndoeX Jun 2014 #27
Oh, by now, I know who your target market is William Seger Jun 2014 #28
pilots for truth make personal attacks on those murdered on 911 by speading lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #20
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