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johndoeX

(268 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:07 AM Jun 2014

William Seger - Epic Fail [View all]

As many of you may know, Seger has claimed that the airspeeds reported on 9/11 were possible based on the Federal Aviation Regulations Part 25, specifically sections 301, 303, and 305, stating a factor of safety of 1.5, or 150%.

After mind numbing discussions attempting to explain that the "Limit Loads" and "Ultimate Loads" described in FAR Part 25.301 were for... you guess it, Loads, and not speed, and the fact that Seger only first heard of Vd just a short month ago after viewing our film Skygate, Seger attempts to find outside help for his creative interpretations, based on his obvious bias.

First he tries the physics forum. He gets a reply from only one person who states he is an "engine guy and not an airframe guy and cannot comment on aircraft designs." - Seger Fail

Then he tries an Aeronautical Engineer Forum, no one replies. - Seger Fail

Seger then finally admits that Vd is not a load and is in fact a speed. But still thinks the definitions under FAR 25.301 still apply to speed. - Seger Fail

Seger then emails the FAA and claims "Game over" - Seger Fail


To understand the whole story, you need to look at a Vg Diagram — .... It's a graph that illustrates the stall lines, the limit loads, ultimate limit loads and Vne as the "envelope" of the aircraft — and most of us have never seen an actual one for our aircraft! Va falls at the point where the 'positive limit load' line intersects the 'stall' line on the positive 'g' portion (upper) of the diagram. And we are told that if we are flying at that speed, the airplane stalls before it exceeds the limit, and thus can sustain no damage.

(emphasis mine)

Read more at http://www.flyingmag.com/pilot-technique/tip-week/ups-and-downs-turbulence#xd7wSFXtMk7ZIYeG.99





The dive speed (Vd) is the absolute maximum speed above which the aircraft must not fly. Typically, to achieve this speed, the aircraft must enter a dive (steep descent), as the engines cannot produce sufficient thrust to overcome aerodynamic drag in level flight. At the dive speed, excessive aircraft vibrations develop which put the aircraft structural integrity at stake. - Source,

Credentials -
Concerning me, I am a freelance aviation journalist / author for SP’s Airbuz, the only exclusive civil aviation magazine in India. I also am an aerospace designer, and a flight simulator instructor. I was formerly employed with Honeywell, but now completely on my own.

In 2011, I developed and installed 5 Boeing 767-type fixed base flight simulators, intended for systems training for its designers / developers working on aerospace products. I was also part of a program which attempts to bridge the gap between engineers and modern avionics and airliner systems.

My focus of more than a decade has seen me at airline dispatch, airport facilities (NDB, VOR, ILS, Radars, and ATC), aircraft maintenance, airline training (simulator centres using CAE and Thompson Level-C FFS), avionics system development, teaching (aircraft systems), and aircraft system design.

(emphasis mine)



Seger - Epic Fail

And this is why Seger still has not found one person within aviation (not even Beachy), to support his interpretations of FAR 25.301, 303, and 305.

Meanwhile, this list grows.

Keep digging Seger.

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William Seger - Epic Fail [View all] johndoeX Jun 2014 OP
Who is Helen Borg Jun 2014 #1
Leslie? delphi72 Jun 2014 #2
Fringe pilot group fails to define Vd, uses googled journalist made up definition superbeachnut Jun 2014 #3
With conspiracy hucksters and frauds ... William Seger Jun 2014 #4
The "Defined Limit Load" johndoeX Jun 2014 #5
Fraud! William Seger Jun 2014 #10
Third time asked Seger, johndoeX Jun 2014 #12
Another feeble attempt at deception William Seger Jun 2014 #14
So, just to be clear... johndoeX Jun 2014 #15
WTF?!?! William Seger Jun 2014 #17
"Flying at Vd puts loads on the airframe" johndoeX Jun 2014 #18
For probably not the last time... William Seger Jun 2014 #20
Ok... now we are getting somewhere.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #21
"Getting somewhere," huh William Seger Jun 2014 #24
Nobody knows? johndoeX Jun 2014 #25
ROFLMAO. There's that bizarre Balsamo "debating" technique again William Seger Jun 2014 #26
The test is based on FAR Part 25 johndoeX Jun 2014 #27
Un-freakin-believable William Seger Jun 2014 #28
Loads johndoeX Jun 2014 #29
ALL types of loads are covered by the definitions in 25.301(a) William Seger Jun 2014 #31
Ding ding ding! johndoeX Jun 2014 #32
"You lose!" shouted Cap'n Bob from the bottom of his smoldering crater William Seger Jun 2014 #33
The FAA johndoeX Jun 2014 #34
Impossible lie exposed, pilots for truth next Gish Gallop superbeachnut Jun 2014 #6
Just a "journalist"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #7
The Vd definition is made up - why fake a definition to support a lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #8
Why Beachy why? johndoeX Jun 2014 #9
Grade school kids more experience than needed to debunk pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #11
"A mathematician"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #13
Flew a desk quote mining lie, mirrors the fake Vd definition quote mining failure superbeachnut Jun 2014 #16
Beachy - where did you get the diagram in your above post? johndoeX Jun 2014 #19
attacking a person, does not make the data wrong - no matter what other topics the person got wrong superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22
So, you agree with Frank? johndoeX Jun 2014 #23
pilots for truth expose they lack the expertise to decode the FDR superbeachnut Jun 2014 #30
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