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johndoeX

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51. It's much more simple than that Seger

Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:00 PM

Jun 2014

All you have to do is post the requirement of a FoS beyond Vd for a maneuvering aircraft.

It doesn't exist. That is why each and every VG diagram you will find ends at Vd and the structural failure zone begins.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=20979&view=findpost&p=10812629

For perhaps the 5th time. The margin of Safety for Speed is between Vc (a design speed) and Vd. Vmo (Max Operating limit... a Structural speed) is derived from Vc, and must be lower than Vc.

The margin of safety for G loading is 50%.

I have provided the relevant FAR parts for the above requirements.

You can't even find the FAR requirement for 1.15Vd. I don't expect you to find one which does not exist.... but hey, if you do, feel free to post it. We've been waiting.

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Skygate 911 [View all] damnedifIknow May 2014 OP

Good grief. B-List conspiracy huckster Rob Balsamo William Seger May 2014 #1

Please address the content of this video damnedifIknow May 2014 #2

I did. Read the links (n/t) William Seger May 2014 #3

Do you agree with analysis done on the WTC by the same people in your links? johndoeX May 2014 #7

I'm not surprised that you missed the point William Seger May 2014 #9

In other words.... johndoeX May 2014 #10

Here's some content: William Seger May 2014 #4

Seger once again shows his lack of aeronautical knowledge. johndoeX May 2014 #5

Cowboy Bob rides again William Seger May 2014 #8

Read and Learn Seger johndoeX May 2014 #11

SSDD William Seger May 2014 #12

You are so lost it would be funny if not so sad. johndoeX May 2014 #13

Maybe you've been watching that spinning wing logo too long William Seger May 2014 #14

Wow, look at all that tap dancing... lol johndoeX May 2014 #15

Welcome to the Rob Balsamo Show William Seger May 2014 #17

You still don't get it Seger? johndoeX May 2014 #18

Oh, I "get" what you're asserting William Seger May 2014 #19

Whoops, I missed this one..... johndoeX Jun 2014 #26

And you still missed it by a mile William Seger Jun 2014 #27

The Gish Gallop of fake Vg diagram and BS superbeachnut Jun 2014 #34

While you're at it, please explain this, too William Seger Jun 2014 #20

No, you still don't get it Seger.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #23

ROFL. There's that bizarra Balsamo "debating" technique again William Seger Jun 2014 #28

fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #33

Using a journalist for aero knowledge, quote mining failure superbeachnut Jun 2014 #22

Still unable to read the credentials page Beachy? johndoeX Jun 2014 #25

Fake defintion used to help fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #35

Any valid points in the video which prove it was not 175 hitting the WTC superbeachnut Jun 2014 #36

Jetblue Captain and Aeronautical Engineer Reviews Skygate 911 johndoeX May 2014 #6

Jetblue Captain and Aeronautical Engineer falls for Skygate 911 lies and fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #71

Navy Top Gun and American Airlines 757/767 Captain Reviews Skygate 911 johndoeX May 2014 #16

Navy Top Gun and American Airlines 757/767 Captain Fooled by Skygate 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #72

Fraud from failed pilots superbeachnut Jun 2014 #21

Aww... how sweet... johndoeX Jun 2014 #24

Wow, that is lame, even for you William Seger Jun 2014 #29

Wrong again Seger... johndoeX Jun 2014 #30

LOL, so you didn't IGNORE the point William Seger Jun 2014 #31

Seger says - "If A > B and B > C, then A > C" johndoeX Jun 2014 #37

767 designed for 1.2Vd, and it can do better, why the fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #39

Censura.net? Really? This is you "expert"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #41

math expert debunks pilots for truth math, pilot for truth forum thread confirms it superbeachnut Jun 2014 #44

Source fail johndoeX Jun 2014 #45

pilots for truth fail to decode what a mathematician can, so much for experts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #48

Post #27 William Seger Jun 2014 #49

It's much more simple than that Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #51

Fake Vg diagram, inability to post the structural failure speed - pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #53

Game over William Seger Jun 2014 #61

Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #63

Balsamo folds but continues to bullshit William Seger Jun 2014 #69

And yet.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #73

Our guest on the Rob Balsamo Show today is... William Seger Jun 2014 #76

You're still wrong Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #79

Jeez... Yes, Rob, as I said, that is Flight Load William Seger Jun 2014 #82

Nice backpedaling... johndoeX Jun 2014 #83

more nonsense from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #85

Bullshit William Seger Jun 2014 #87

The Limit Case johndoeX Jun 2014 #90

Really? William Seger Jun 2014 #92

Go ahead! johndoeX Jun 2014 #95

ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #98

Translation johndoeX Jun 2014 #100

1.2Vd, 580 mph for flight 175 flutter free, better call for help superbeachnut Jun 2014 #93

Go ahead provide the source, make up more nonsense, and never explain superbeachnut Jun 2014 #70

In other words.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #74

Why can't the super pilots for truth source what they say they can source superbeachnut Jun 2014 #77

And now for accuracy... johndoeX Jun 2014 #80

pilots for truth talk Technobabble with aerodynamics and can't explain their dumb-speak superbeachnut Jun 2014 #81

"50'% Factor of Safety beyond VD" William Seger Jun 2014 #89

Math? johndoeX Jun 2014 #91

pilots for truth, making up more nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #94

Yes, math, your worst nightmare William Seger Jun 2014 #97

Wrong again Seger. johndoeX Jun 2014 #99

Done William Seger Jun 2014 #101

School's out William Seger Jun 2014 #102

Wrong again Seger... johndoeX Jun 2014 #103

ROFLMAO William Seger Jun 2014 #104

Translation - johndoeX Jun 2014 #106

next stop, 11.2g physics applied to make up fake engine claims superbeachnut Jun 2014 #107

"You've already proven you are intellectually dishonest" William Seger Jun 2014 #108

The Score johndoeX Jun 2014 #109

Hmmm, looks like the score is still 1-0 William Seger Jun 2014 #110

Where is the core, why do they not help spread lies of impossible speeds, and fake Vg diagrams superbeachnut Jun 2014 #111

Balsamo's Corner delphi72 Jun 2014 #113

Great summary superbeachnut Jun 2014 #114

pilots for truth lies fail, structual failure at 425 KEAS remains a lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #105

weak attack does not make the fake Vg diagram real superbeachnut Jun 2014 #32

"Debunkers" unable to plot their own VG when data is known... johndoeX Jun 2014 #38

a fake Vg diagram, photoshopped to fool superbeachnut Jun 2014 #40

Wrong... johndoeX Jun 2014 #42

pilots for truth unable to state the structural failure speed on their fake Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #43

ATP? johndoeX Jun 2014 #46

no ATP yet? That is a test score, your FAA records show no ATP superbeachnut Jun 2014 #47

Why block out the date? delphi72 Jun 2014 #50

How does one erase knowledge? johndoeX Jun 2014 #52

I understand now delphi72 Jun 2014 #54

Boeing? johndoeX Jun 2014 #56

The big lie posted in the video preview superbeachnut Jun 2014 #58

Beachnut Flew a Desk johndoeX Jun 2014 #59

Fake Vg diagram supported with... nothing, pilots for truth fake Vg diagram supports lies about 911 superbeachnut Jun 2014 #60

sign of no evidence, for lies of "structual failure at 425 KEAS", and fake Vg diagram, flying a desk superbeachnut Jun 2014 #88

Boeing Phone Answer Lady Top Engineer delphi72 Jun 2014 #112

How does this save the fake Vg diagram or the structural failure speed lie superbeachnut Jun 2014 #55

Wrong again Beachy... n/t johndoeX Jun 2014 #57

Aw, Rob, I never said you were "nuts" William Seger Jun 2014 #62

I'm confused... johndoeX Jun 2014 #64

Paranoid conspiracy theorist fall for pilot for truth fake Vg diagrams and other lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #65

"Paranoid"? johndoeX Jun 2014 #66

paranoid conspiracy theorist post more lies and paranoia instead of evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #67

Wow. There's one born every minute William Seger Jun 2014 #68

"fake VG" johndoeX Jun 2014 #75

A fake Vg diagram appears in the Skygate video with the lie of structual failure at 425 KEAS superbeachnut Jun 2014 #78

25 to 65 johndoeX Jun 2014 #84

pilots for truth make fake Vg diagram and explain how to fake the Vg diagram, without engineering superbeachnut Jun 2014 #86

structural failure zone for the 767, big lie, pilots for truth fail superbeachnut Jun 2014 #96

The Score remains... johndoeX Jun 2014 #115

In Your Corner delphi72 Jun 2014 #117

Well, you've definitely painted yourself into a corner William Seger Jun 2014 #118

The score, pilot for truth claims, zero evidence superbeachnut Jun 2014 #116

Operational Envelope Diagram delphi72 Jun 2014 #119

It's worse than that William Seger Jun 2014 #120

Boeing Comment on Flight Beyond Vg delphi72 Jun 2014 #121

Bump for Balsamo delphi72 Jun 2014 #122

My apologies 'delphi72' johndoeX Jun 2014 #127

Experience in Aviation? delphi72 Jun 2014 #140

Bump (II) for Balsamo delphi72 Jun 2014 #162

Seger is STILL unable to find the relevant FAR? johndoeX Jun 2014 #123

Why can't pilots for truth explain what they post? They never do. superbeachnut Jun 2014 #124

Why can't Beachnut post a source for his claims? johndoeX Jun 2014 #125

767 built to 1.2Vd, pilots for truth can't find the info superbeachnut Jun 2014 #126

Beachy Epic Fail johndoeX Jun 2014 #128

Pilots for truth can't find the spec the 767 was built to, a reflection of their fake 767 Vg diagram superbeachnut Jun 2014 #129

Beachy once again fails to source his claim johndoeX Jun 2014 #130

Here ya go William Seger Jun 2014 #133

Epic Fail Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #135

You post stuff you can't explain; why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #137

You STILL don't understand structural engineering or the FAR William Seger Jun 2014 #131

Seger, are you familiar with real world exercise, practical application, and precedent? johndoeX Jun 2014 #134

Flight 175, oops, you lost this debate, superbeachnut Jun 2014 #136

ROFLMAO, so predictable, and yet... William Seger Jun 2014 #138

Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #139

So far... so true.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #172

Fake speeds, fake Vg diagram, failed physics, what is the next fake claim from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #132

Beachy cannot determine a VG Diagram when the data is known. johndoeX Jun 2014 #141

The silly lie Balsamo spreads based on failed research. superbeachnut Jun 2014 #142

Thank you for your insight Beachy... johndoeX Jun 2014 #143

p4t can't explain what they post superbeachnut Jun 2014 #144

Beachy -for more than the 5th time johndoeX Jun 2014 #147

No aero engineers at pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #148

Wrong again Beachy.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #150

jet blue pilot goes crazy, talking conspracy theories superbeachnut Jun 2014 #155

Actually, that's more than the 5th time William Seger Jun 2014 #145

Wrong again Seger johndoeX Jun 2014 #146

Why can't pilots for truth explain their own questions, their own posts superbeachnut Jun 2014 #149

It means just what it says.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #151

I knew it, you can't explain your own points superbeachnut Jun 2014 #152

Use a dictionary if you are unfamiliar with the terms... johndoeX Jun 2014 #154

You can't explain your post? Why superbeachnut Jun 2014 #156

Wrong again Beachy.... johndoeX Jun 2014 #157

Of Course he Can't Explain His Posts delphi72 Jun 2014 #163

Fake Vg diagram, and more lies superbeachnut Jun 2014 #153

To any person with a WORKING brain SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT 9/11. dballance Jun 2014 #158

Really? William Seger Jun 2014 #159

Yes, Really. dballance Jun 2014 #160

Phillip Marshall? delphi72 Jun 2014 #161

Too funny William Seger Jun 2014 #165

From The Supposed Excerpt: delphi72 Jun 2014 #166

American 88 was MY Typo when I transcribed. Thanks for pointing it out. dballance Jun 2014 #169

Anything else? All your claims are nonsense superbeachnut Jun 2014 #170

Of course, 'duhbunkers' never make a typo... johndoeX Jun 2014 #177

Yes, I have experienced similar results... johndoeX Jun 2014 #167

More nonsense sponsored by pilots for truth, more hearsay and exageration superbeachnut Jun 2014 #171

Working brain? You fell for lies in the "The Big Bamboozle", you were Bamboozled superbeachnut Jun 2014 #168

Just Dawned On Me delphi72 Jun 2014 #164

Uninspired Lies from pilots for truth superbeachnut Jun 2014 #173

Beachy, why have you not supported Seger? johndoeX Jun 2014 #174

Answer My Question delphi72 Jun 2014 #175

pilots for truth can't defend impossible speed lie, no support from rational Aero Engineers superbeachnut Jun 2014 #176