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In reply to the discussion: Colorado PBS stn to air documentary on WTC collapses [View all]JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)would much rather you didn't have an opportunity to watch this documentary. I guess they don't trust the audience members to have enough commons sense to evaluate the evidence presented by the various engineers, architects and scientists explaining their issues with the official government agency provided explanations for the collapses of WTC1, 2 & 7 and then to draw their own conclusions. All the more reason for you to watch it, I say. Unless of course, you would prefer to just let logical and Bolo Boffin do all your thinking for you.
Remember year ago when the 9/11 truthers first started questioning the sudden and dramatic, explosive like collapses of 1 & 2 and the collapse at very close to free fall acceleration of WTC 7 (in actual free fall for about 10 stories or so) the truthers were told, in effect, "What the hell do you guys know about structural engineering or the science of explosives and controlled demolition? No trained engineers or scientists believe your explosive demolition crap. If your theories made any sense, there would be engineers backing you up."
Then along came architect Richard Gage who, after looking at the evidence, decided that definitely there was something very suspicious about the way the buildings came down. Then we heard, "Gage is only an architect, not an engineer. Architects don't know shit about engineering. There's no engineers willing to put their reputation on the line and back these crazy explosive demolition conspiracy theories."
Gradually as Gage and the AE911Truth organization he founded started talking to fellow architects and engineers other architects, engineers, and scientists started chiming in and signing the petition for a new and thorough scientific investigation of the 3 WTC collapses. These included mechanical and structural engineers with a very credible career record working in their respective engineering fields. So what do we hear now that there are 1700 architects and engineers who have signed the AE911Truth position? Well I guess now we have to believe that any engineer who signs the AE911Truth petition or agrees with Richard Gage that the NIST provided explanations for the building collapses don't stand up to scientific scrutiny also doesn't know shit about engineering.
Watch the documentary and make up your own mind. Don't be put off by the "poisoning the well" arguments put forward above by logical and Bolo Boffin so as to make you believe that this documentary is not worth watching. We know that governments including Western, supposedly democratic governments and/or renegade agencies within those governments have engaged in the recent past at some of the highest levels both in planning potentially deadly conspiracies against their own population and in the execution of such conspiracies. Google Operation Northwoods and Operation Gladio, for example.
The Swiss academic and historian Daniele Ganser wrote a book NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe on the Cold War era Operation Gladio conspiracy in which renegade, underground far right groups in Western Europe with the cooperation of allied intelligence agencies and NATO staged deadly false flag terror attacks on civilian targets. The purpose was so that the attacks could be blamed by governments and the media on communists and leftist radicals in order to demonize the left in the public eye and keep leftist and communist politicians from winning elections. Here is what Ganser has to say about 9/11.
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TWO COUNTER-ARGUMENTS: Ganser discusses the two most important arguments against theories 2 and 3, which are:
Argument 1 against the Lihop- and Mihop-theory: Civilized, western governments in general, and the US government in particular, would never do anything as evil as to allow the 11/9-attacks, yet alone plan them.
Argument 2 against the Lihop- og Mihop-theory: If the 11/7 (SIC - think he means 11/9)-attacks were carried out by forces within the US own government, it would not have been possible to keep it a secret for so long.
RAISES DOUBT: As stated, Ganser does not address which of the three theories is correct. However, he has conducted so much research on secret warfare executed by western governments that he would not altogether dismiss the more moderate Lihop or the more alarming Mihop theory.
In order to understand why the Swiss historian doesn't think arguments 1 and 2 against the Lihop- and Mihop-theories in themselves are viable, we need to look at his own research:
Ganser is an expert on the use of the Strategy of Tension by western governments, for example during the Cold War. This involved implementing a terror attack on public places and then placing the blame on a political opponent.
In his book on Nato's secret army, Operation Gladio, he describes state-supported terror attacks during the 60's and 70's in Europe. These took place chiefly in Italy, but also in Beligium, Turkey and Greece. Secret forces were trained and equipped by the American CIA and the British counterpart, MI6.
http://911blogger.com/news/2008-04-21/daniele-ganser-all-theories-about-911-are-conspiracy-theories
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