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Farmer-Rick

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14. Marx did not advocate Marxism
Sat Aug 2, 2025, 11:44 AM
Aug 2025

He felt it was more like spin than a real program.

He wrote in a letter "What is certain is that I myself am not a Marxist."

It was in response to French Marxists going around and sloganeering, not having a good theoretical basis for what they were purporting to have supported.

If on the other hand, you are talking about Socialism, he supported that more. Though he really thought Communism was the best but not the kind of Communism practiced in the USSR.

It seems to me that the problems with most types of Socialism and Communism implemented so far have had one big failure. They failed to give control (of the means of production) to the workers.

In the USSR the control was handed over to political leaders who acted as badly as capitalists. Marx thought the people would vote out anyone who failed to use that control fairly and equally. Well you' ve seen how the voting public can be easily manipulated. Especially if you have Musk controlled voting machines.

In China, they handed the control to one political party who then gave it to a dictatorial leader.

I don't think democracy is compatible with capitalism. Anytime you allow large amounts of wealth to be controlled by a handful of people you run into serious problems. Because in capitalism money is power and then the handful takeover.

What we need is a more democratic form of economics. Capitalism is not the answer even when combined with socialism, democracy or Marxism.

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Important studies on this topic include "The Breakdown of Nations" by Leopold Kohr (1952), dedl67 Aug 2025 #1
MOST interesting. This whole thread is, most definitely. Small really IS beautiful. calimary Aug 2025 #15
Ah yes, the predictions of Karl Marx Farmer-Rick Aug 2025 #2
It's ironic, the people that trash Marx the most are those most fervently working Uncle Joe Aug 2025 #7
Just an outside the US perspective Uncle Joe jfz9580m Aug 2025 #10
Marx did not advocate Marxism Farmer-Rick Aug 2025 #14
Kick. Great stuff & reading rec. Thanks for posting! bronxiteforever Aug 2025 #3
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That's been going on for years NJCher Aug 2025 #6
Capitalism is an outdated system NJCher Aug 2025 #5
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Yeah I gotta agree jfz9580m Aug 2025 #11
Thank you! It's edifying to read of a sweeping perspective & difference between past regional & current global factors, ancianita Aug 2025 #13
woo hoo! NJCher Aug 2025 #16
Well, yes, extreme inequality tends to lead to revolutions, "Let them eat cake!" OKIsItJustMe Aug 2025 #17
Must be a new version of history Progressive dog Aug 2025 #18
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