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highplainsdem

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13. All of us are entitled to "meh" opinions of artists others love. But I want to add something to
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 01:41 PM
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what you said here:

The brothers hated each other passionately until somebody waved a big enough check…


I might have said that was possible at one point, but I've listened to lots of interviews from more than 30 years, and read a lot more about them since the tour started, and my impression - which of course you're free to disagree with - is that it's classic sibling rivalry, often love/hate, exacerbated by the trauma of having an abusive alcoholic father. Further exacerbated by the strain of being in a band and touring a lot from the early 1990s through 2009. If I recall correctly, one of the Moody Blues (think it was John Lodge, but I'm not sure) once said that by the end of a tour, the Moodies wouldn't be speaking to one another. I've posted a lot here about Golden Earring, who stayed together for several decades, but there were times they were barely speaking, even times when the lead and bass guitarists - founding members who were childhood friends and brothers-in-law - would communicate backstage only through intermediaries.

And that strain in Oasis was further exacerbated by Noel and Liam envying each other. Which both have commented on. Noel particularly.

And it probably looks worse to Americans because of the English tradition of "taking the piss" - insulting people without meaning real offense, basically doing it for laughs. A friend of mine who worked in England for years had a very hard time getting used to it.

I have two kid brothers who have at times left me so sick of their sibling rivalry that it was one reason I really didn't even want to hear about Oasis in the '90s. But even when my brothers are not talking to each other for a while, I know that in a pinch they'll be there for each other.

I've seen a lot of interviews where Noel and Liam were both clearly affectionate, enjoying each other's company, and admiring each other's talent.

The split in 2009 came at a time when Oasis wasn't doing as well, and Noel had been wondering for years about possibly going solo. And once he made a public statement blaming Liam for his decision to leave the band, he'd pretty much painted himself into a corner. As Liam did with his response.

But they knew their talents were/are complementary.

I believe they'd have reunited much sooner if this was purely about money.

I've read that both their kids (who get along) and their mother had a lot to do with the reunion. So did Liam's fiancee/manager, who gets along with the kids and Liam and Noel's mother. So did Noel divorcing his second wife, who disliked Liam and took Noel for every penny she could get.

So did both Noel and Liam - Liam especially - maturing.

And so did Liam becoming successful enough in his solo career to sell out concerts at Knebworth. Which has to have made Noel aware that his kid brother might not be such a liability after all.

Liam had been saying for years that he wanted a reunion, and wouldn't care what it paid. Noel had said repeatedly the last year or so before the reunion was announced that Liam should call him. We might never know exactly when and why they reconciled, but saying they hated each other and got back together just for the money seems, to me anyway, to be wrong.

Family relationships are complicated. Same with bands.

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This tour made me a fan. speak easy Friday #1
This tour is part of the reason I like them much more than I used to, but the main reason is paying more highplainsdem Sunday #9
Good touring bands get my respect and attention nt Bobstandard Yesterday #26
I am meh on them. More a Radiohead and The Smile fan NewHendoLib Friday #2
Both of those Thom Yorke bands are/were good. highplainsdem Sunday #10
I'm a fan. Also, Beady Eye, Liam's side jam...good stuff cayugafalls Friday #3
Thanks! I need to give a lot more attention to Beady Eye, and Liam's solo work, and Noel's High Flying Birds. highplainsdem Sunday #11
Meh. Fiendish Thingy Friday #4
It is one of the best....marketing campaigns in years Ranting Randy Friday #6
Could you please explain exactly what you think was "a marketing campaign"? highplainsdem Sunday #14
Sure, scarcity is a strong driver, usually results in higher prices. This was the first campaign after many years away. Ranting Randy Monday #18
The demand was definitely there, but there was no "huge radio promotion months in advance." Tickets highplainsdem Monday #19
I look at the world from a marketing perspective. Ranting Randy Monday #20
I just pointed out there was only 4 days' notice, not months of promotion. That's a realistic perspective. highplainsdem Monday #21
Marketing includes trying to create demand, (they did a great job here)... Ranting Randy Yesterday #22
Wow. highplainsdem Yesterday #23
No, marketing doesn't control, it "tries" to shape desired outcomes. Ranting Randy Yesterday #24
That's backtracking a bit from what you said earlier highplainsdem Yesterday #25
All of us are entitled to "meh" opinions of artists others love. But I want to add something to highplainsdem Sunday #13
I'm Fine With It ProfessorGAC Friday #5
Thanks! They really were a BFD, and apparently still are. And the success of this reunion tour is highplainsdem Sunday #15
Grateful for the replies here so far, and hoping for more... highplainsdem Saturday #7
I've held off on responding to any of the replies here because I just wanted to hear other people's highplainsdem Sunday #8
It is an essential thing! Music hits people in such unique ways NewHendoLib Sunday #12
It would be incredibly boring if there weren't a lot of different artists reflecting and expressing different highplainsdem Sunday #16
One more kick... highplainsdem Monday #17
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