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2. MaddowBlog-White House targets Democratic veterans who told troops to refuse illegal orders
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 03:20 PM
Nov 20

In theory, the Democratic video shouldn’t have been especially controversial. In practice, Team Trump’s pushback has been over the top.

Dem veterans reminded servicemembers to refuse illegal orders.

Trump responded by accusing them of “sedition,” labeling them “traitors” and suggesting that they’re subject to arrest — all before raising the possibility *of capital punishment*. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-11-20T16:04:49.330Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-targets-democratic-veterans-told-troops-refuse-illegal-ord-rcna244954

Acting on those concerns, six Democratic members of Congress, who served in the military, the intelligence community or both, appeared in a video this week to remind current service members that they are obligated to refuse illegal orders. The New York Times reported:

The stark message, posted on Tuesday, was organized by Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan, a former C.I.A. analyst who served multiple tours in Iraq. … ‘Our laws are clear,’ said Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, a Navy veteran and former astronaut. ‘You can refuse illegal orders.’ ‘You must refuse illegal orders,’ added Representative Chris Deluzio of Pennsylvania, who also served in the Navy.


...In theory, the video shouldn’t have been especially controversial. After all, the Democratic veterans are correct: Service members aren’t supposed to follow illegal orders.

In practice, the partisan pushback has been ferocious.....

On Thursday morning, the president published an item to his social media platform responding to the message from the Democratic veterans, saying, “This is really bad, and Dangerous to our Country. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR FROM TRAITORS!!! LOCK THEM UP???”

This dovetailed with a similar message, also posted on Thursday morning, which read, “It’s called SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. Each one of these traitors to our Country should be ARRESTED AND PUT ON TRIAL. Their words cannot be allowed to stand — We won’t have a Country anymore!!! An example MUST BE SET.”

Soon after, the Republican added, “SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!”

Trump similarly amplified an online message written by someone else, who wrote, “HANG THEM GEORGE WASHINGTON WOULD !!.....

In the recent past, many leading GOP voices warned that rhetoric like this was corrosive to society and heightened the risk of political violence. Evidently, the incumbent president, outraged by calls in support of the rule of law, doesn’t care.


Steve Benen has added the following comment
UPDATE (November 20, 2025, 1:31 p.m. ET): House Speaker Mike Johnson Trump’s online antics, telling reporters, “What I read was he was defining the crime of sedition … that is a factual statement.” He also called it “wildly inappropriate for so-called leaders in Congress … to encourage young troops to disobey orders … We have got to raise the bar in Congress, this is out of control.”

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He is telling his magats to kill Democrats. GreenWave Nov 20 #1
There needs to be limits on free speech I_UndergroundPanther Nov 20 #30
And if someone were to act on his words, he would deny any culpability. 3catwoman3 Nov 20 #31
Hate speech is free speech until someone legislates otherwise, DJ Synikus Makisimus Nov 21 #36
MaddowBlog-White House targets Democratic veterans who told troops to refuse illegal orders LetMyPeopleVote Nov 20 #2
Any of them retired? The Grand Illuminist Nov 20 #9
Encouraging troops to FOLLOW THE LAW COL Mustard Nov 20 #28
Where are the republican vets or aren't there any? Deuxcents Nov 20 #3
The last snip it shows how Speaker Mike can twist words around and make false statements Deuxcents Nov 20 #5
I suppose no Republicans have spoken out against this! BlueKota Nov 20 #4
They have. I saw someone today on Fox. COL Mustard Nov 20 #29
I was wondering , if least a few Republicans, BlueKota Nov 21 #38
I haven't seen anyone say he shouldn't threaten the Dems... COL Mustard Nov 21 #40
They sure do. BlueKota Nov 21 #41
A "Firestorm of Rage" Indeed The Roux Comes First Nov 20 #6
he gets that from his murdering Saudi friend msongs Nov 20 #7
Yes, plus his attitude about bluestarone Nov 20 #14
And Trump will reply "things happen". twodogsbarking Nov 20 #8
If George Washington behaved like trump, Bayard Nov 20 #10
I dunno about that Polybius Nov 20 #23
Sorry--tongue in cheek response Bayard Nov 21 #35
It just doesn't matter angrychair Nov 20 #11
It's easy to slip into despondency over all of this. However, NH Ethylene Nov 20 #22
Just don't see it angrychair Nov 20 #26
I know they are only a few media voiices BlueKota Nov 21 #42
He diminishes the office and our country every single day. Can't believe how he gets away with it. nt wiggs Nov 20 #12
It's only a matter of time... AntiFascist Nov 20 #13
Mahalo BRDS & Dem Vets! Cha Nov 20 #15
"That oath lasts a lifetime." bluescribbler Nov 20 #16
Hard to put that genie back in the bottle Red Mountain Nov 20 #17
Walmart wants you to hang Trump. usonian Nov 20 #18
F*ck Trump and F*ck Walmart...pieces of the same sh*t. NotHardly Nov 20 #21
The Party of Law & Order... SunImp Nov 20 #19
Maybe Karoline Lepper can help or Hegsbreath vapor2 Nov 20 #20
I'm spelling her name KKKarolyin'. 3catwoman3 Nov 20 #32
Dump needs to be impeached and thrown in jail mdbl Nov 20 #24
He can actually have them killed. Love, J. Roberts Oliver Bolliver Butt Nov 20 #25
Jan 6 insurrectionists were not hung ArizonaLib Nov 20 #27
The top 'seditious traitor' I know of, is named Donald Trump! Jack Valentino Nov 20 #33
Lindsey Graham is twisted in knots over phone log subpoena Justice Nov 20 #34
And? Akakoji Nov 21 #37
Good. They described it as calling for "our murder" travelingthrulife Nov 21 #39
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