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lapfog_1

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78. then it will take years...
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:43 AM
Thursday

I don't think that many more. The economic issues are finally taking a toll. And at something like 1000 dead soldiers a day plus the huge losses in drone strikes on expensive military targets and oil refineries... there is gas rationing in Crimea now... this will soon drive what were lower middle class Russians ( that aspired in resource rich Russia to enter the middle class in Europe ) into the poor house and their anger will eventually cause the Putin nationalist empire / oligarchy to fall. What replaces it will be interesting. But they will withdraw from Ukraine.

Russia has learned some hard lessons on asymmetric warfare and are now starting to deploy their own drone attacks on Ukraine infrastructure. But Ukraine is made of some very tough people. I don't think Russia can defeat them... and even if Ukraine surrenders, Russia will constantly be fighting a nationalist resistance campaign in Ukraine for decades if not centuries.

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No shit! Ray Bruns Nov 19 #1
Why do I believe the unnamed sources have the initials DJT? Ray Bruns Nov 19 #2
Yup. sheshe2 Nov 19 #32
Putin must have some real nasty shit on Trump RazorbackExpat Friday #86
Diddling Donny can't stay out of Putin's pants. Safe as Milk Nov 19 #3
What if Putin's Bubba? BadgerMom Thursday #73
Ukraine doesn't have to anything the US says. It is a sovereign nation. NotHardly Nov 19 #4
Ukraine wants a security guarantee from the US. maxsolomon Nov 19 #15
Russia had an agreement with Ukraine and had agreed republianmushroom Nov 19 #21
Like many big powers they renege on their agreements...nt mitch96 Nov 19 #24
I think Ukraine is disinclined to accept security agreements, as the... LudwigPastorius Nov 19 #22
Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable. maxsolomon Nov 19 #23
Russia opposed Ukraine joining NATO because it would have blocked them from taking the land for the future pipelines. cstanleytech Nov 19 #33
Most of the NATO nations couldn't give a stuff what Russia wants. n/t Emrys Nov 19 #48
Russia invaded Donetsk precisely to stop NATO extending membership to Ukraine. maxsolomon Nov 19 #53
Russia's rationales for its invasion vary almost as windingly as a Trump diatribe. Emrys Nov 19 #61
Helpful post, maxsolomon Thursday #83
I can't immediately find a map of the situation in 2023, but if it helps, Emrys Thursday #84
Well, I hope your optimism is correct. maxsolomon Friday #85
Their last security guarantee when giving up nukes didn't hold up so well SamuelTheThird Nov 19 #26
Yes, I am aware. maxsolomon Nov 19 #28
Please research blue-wave Nov 19 #35
I don't need to research as I already knew about it. maxsolomon Nov 19 #37
I'm saying blue-wave Nov 19 #38
US security assurances are only as good as the word of the President karynnj Nov 19 #40
What would Russia get in the deal then? Polybius Nov 19 #59
What will Russia get? blue-wave Thursday #70
Ok, so the war doesn't end then n/t Polybius Thursday #75
it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended lapfog_1 Thursday #76
That could take years Polybius Thursday #77
then it will take years... lapfog_1 Thursday #78
Ukraine itself is offering Russia something Polybius Monday #89
And Russia has already rejected blue-wave Tuesday #90
This is misunderstood. Ukraine DID NOT receive Security Guarantees WarGamer Nov 19 #46
Correct. Emrys Nov 19 #49
Ukraine needs to be in NATO or have signed legal defense GUARANTEES from US, UK, Germany, Poland and France. WarGamer Nov 19 #50
Over the past few years, Ukraine has signed bilateral security agreements with a number of countries Emrys Nov 19 #62
The only agreement that would blue-wave Thursday #69
If you want to split hairs over the blue-wave Thursday #72
All I have to say is, I get spanked for asking a question but, gab13by13 Nov 19 #5
"linking this right wing talking point" - this is news, FFS muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 #6
Posting 2 unnamed sources for the article because of the sensitivity, gab13by13 Nov 19 #10
I don't think you understand what news is. muriel_volestrangler Nov 19 #14
Hopefully, Ukraine will say "fuck that shit" Fiendish Thingy Nov 19 #7
"give up land, some arms under US peace plan...... yea that ain't gonna happen.. nt mitch96 Nov 19 #25
FU, Putin and drumphf! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 19 #8
Again, like before, I say BULLSHIT!! bluestarone Nov 19 #9
Handing Putin victory from the abyss of defeat CanonRay Nov 19 #11
After all this, now Putin is allowed to take land from Ukraine just to go away and leave them alone FakeNoose Nov 19 #12
Wasn't this same plan rejected a few months ago? (nt) William Seger Nov 19 #13
The US should butt out and F*ck off. sinkingfeeling Nov 19 #16
There's absolutely no way. LudwigPastorius Nov 19 #17
trump kissing Putin ass. republianmushroom Nov 19 #18
Why should they give anything up? They didn't start the war. Putin should have to pay them to rebuild the country. Vinca Nov 19 #19
Rewarding Russia for its invasion? What a plan. Dave Bowman Nov 19 #20
Trump cannot stop blowing Pootie Skittles Nov 19 #27
Trust the Russians and any agreement they sign. republianmushroom Nov 19 #29
3 Words: Fuck That Shit! Nictuku Nov 19 #30
When will the world ever learn? blue-wave Nov 19 #31
I approve this plan......if it includes arrests and war crime trials for a number of Russians. cstanleytech Nov 19 #34
LOL, why wasn't such a deal worked out with Iraq and Kuwait? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 19 #36
US Security Guarantee Nasruddin Nov 19 #39
Nope. Not the right move. Russia go home and expletive you and your horse. twodogsbarking Nov 19 #41
And what weapons and territory will Russia give up in exchange? WestMichRad Nov 19 #42
Just say NO Bayard Nov 19 #43
Now the population of Crimea is mostly all Russian womanofthehills Friday #87
I'm betting if Crimea was returned to its rightful owner, Bayard Friday #88
Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia? slightlv Nov 19 #44
Budapest Memorandum 2 paulrevere2018 Nov 19 #45
F this "peace agreement." One sided BS. Drumpf has been in bed with Vlad for at least 9 years. Evolve Dammit Nov 19 #47
This pisses me off. AllyCat Nov 19 #51
As usual, Dump bends over for Putin mdbl Nov 19 #52
Russian attitude..what's mine is mine .what's yours is negotiable! Playingmantis Nov 19 #54
this is bullshit. ananda Nov 19 #55
Be quiet piggy! bronxiteforever Nov 19 #56
This all from Putin using his power over tramp 3825-87867 Nov 19 #57
Reuters, old and established as it is, hasn't been the most reliable source on developments in Ukraine in recent times Emrys Nov 19 #58
Be quiet piggy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 19 #60
Trump and Putin JPK Nov 19 #63
I hope Zelenskyy tells them to fuck off and Europe backs him ChicagoTeamster Nov 19 #64
x2 Sam I Yam Thursday #71
screw that SaydiTom Nov 19 #65
Bullshit plan designed to appease Putin. He'll take the win and keep going. Martin68 Nov 19 #66
What about that rare earth minerals deal trump wanted from Ukraine?? IcyPeas Nov 19 #67
Stick it up your asses, Trump and Putin. Efilroft Sul Nov 19 #68
Ukraine, Don't Do It! Can't trust US anymore Bread and Circuses Thursday #74
Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. no_hypocrisy Thursday #79
I'd say Krasnov's status a a Russian asset "bothers" America as much as his being an "alleged pedophile." Miles Archer Thursday #80
One word answer Botany Thursday #81
"would be" expected nuxvomica Thursday #82
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