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137. which of course has not a single thing to do with conversation at hand

Fri May 23, 2025, 11:36 AM

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which, as a reminder, began as a note on the discontinuation of the penny - and then drifted slightly to include the impact of 'rounding'. Not a single incidence in there of any suggestion about walking away with unpaid goods. For clarification, such an action has nothing to do with 'rounding'.

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Treasury Department set to phase out the penny [View all] BumRushDaShow Thursday OP

Noooooo, I love pennies and used to have several of those folding blue collector books of them (lost in a move)... wcmagumba Thursday #1

The ninnies put us in a pickle Marthe48 Thursday #2

This will complicate sales taxes no end Jilly_in_VA Thursday #3

New Zealand got rid of them in 1990. nilram Thursday #7

So, if my purchase has 11 cents sales tax, I'll have to no_hypocrisy Thursday #11

Standard rounding rules evens it all out [updated] PSPS Thursday #12

Shops will always round UP, not down. This erodes purchasing power. SunSeeker Thursday #17

that hasn't been what happens in other economies stopdiggin Thursday #22

What the fuck are you talking about? People do accept their change in pennies. SunSeeker Thursday #23

no sir. you are wrong on both accounts. stopdiggin Thursday #28

And you sir are wrong on 3 counts. SunSeeker Thursday #85

"And if you tried to round down it would be considered theft or shoplifting." stopdiggin Thursday #112

Go to the grocery store and try it. nt SunSeeker Yesterday #122

when I go to the grocery store, the cashier tells me the total on my bill stopdiggin Yesterday #129

You make my point. You pay what the store tells you, or you get no groceries. SunSeeker Yesterday #132

which of course has not a single thing to do with conversation at hand stopdiggin Yesterday #137

Yes it does. And, "as a reminder," I was responding to your post. SunSeeker Yesterday #139

You voluntary round up your grocery tab? stopdiggin 22 hrs ago #140

No. Which is why I oppose getting rid of pennies when there is no law in place requiring rounding up AND down. SunSeeker 21 hrs ago #141

well, at least we're no longer ploughing trenchant (and immaterial) ground stopdiggin 19 hrs ago #142

I was never "ploughing immaterial ground." Pennies matter to the poor. SunSeeker 18 hrs ago #143

And I will continue to maintain that the 'pennies matter' mantra stopdiggin 15 hrs ago #144

Eliminating pennies does indeed have bad practical import for the poor. SunSeeker 3 hrs ago #145

Wrong. The rounding in Canada is mandated by law and consumers and merchants love it. It's neutral. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #35

That's CANADA, where people are also guaranteed free healthcare. SunSeeker Thursday #86

Eliminating healthcare has nothing to do with eliminating the penalty. The poor would lose no pennies on bread Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #89

What "proposed law" would require split rounding IN THE US? Name it please. SunSeeker Thursday #93

The law that would be required to eliminate the penny would have to be proposed, passed and enacted. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #96

The Bill regarding elimination of the penny was introduced in the House in February of this year Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #110

Wrong. SunSeeker Yesterday #120

You didn't search Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #124

You didn't read SunSeeker Yesterday #127

Fair enough. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #130

Here is the bill for the proposed law. Yes, it includes rounding in both directions, as is expected and sensible. thesquanderer Thursday #116

That proposal would still make people pay 5 cents for anything that costs 1-4 cents. But better than no law. SunSeeker Yesterday #119

There is probably nothing in a store that costs 1-4 cents. thesquanderer Yesterday #136

No. It does not work that way. Nonsense. The law in Canada mandates rounding, which balances out Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #34

You are the one spreading nonsense. We are not Canada. We have no such law. nt SunSeeker Thursday #90

I never claimed the US had such a law. We are discussing the proposal to eliminate the penny. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #94

LOL. The "obvious" path is not the one the US will always take. SunSeeker Thursday #99

Healthcare has nothing to do with eliminating the penny. The poor won't lose 4 cents on bread Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #100

"if Canada and New Zealand can accomplish...then so can the USA." SunSeeker Yesterday #121

Eliminating the penny is much simpler than ANY of those. Obviously. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #125

Surely they'll be rounding to 5 cents, not to 10 muriel_volestrangler Thursday #19

Yes, as you say. It balances out, it's automatic in cash register, which is told cash or card Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #36

Egads! I obviously screwed up my post and will correct it. PSPS Thursday #52

absolutely not. the sales tax figure remains - 11 cents (which is of course bundled into your purchase price) stopdiggin Thursday #20

No. Bill added up, tax computed, final amount rounded plus/minus to 5 cents not ten, and only if cash. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #37

When I was in Germany 40 years ago there wasn't a lot of US coin change around for the PX. Jacson6 Thursday #74

No Polybius Thursday #118

no it won't. stopdiggin Thursday #15

Not a problem, no complication. Half the time the customer's bill is rounded down, the other half rounded up Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #33

With so many transactions being electronic customerserviceguy Thursday #101

When Nixon told the nation to stop hoarding pennies, my wife began hoarding them in earnest. Bo Zarts Thursday #4

They haven't had pennies in Canada for years Freddie Thursday #5

long overdue. this is one place where public sentiment ran counter stopdiggin Thursday #6

But, they WILL (round up) hlthe2b Thursday #9

Depends what the laws will say. cstanleytech Thursday #18

ONLY on cash purchases. and, even there, on any purchase greater than we'll say 2 or 3 dollars stopdiggin Thursday #25

The lack of concern for the poor who do not and will not have the access to credit cards, debit cards, hlthe2b Thursday #26

It's neutral. Half the time it rounds down; other half time rounds up. Canadians are happy with the move years ago. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #30

There is still a cash economy that is hard for many to remember--for the poorest among us. hlthe2b Thursday #39

It's on the bill. The poorest in Canada have no problem with it. It's neutral, by law and automatic in the register. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #40

This isn't Canada. And our "conservatives" are in no way comparable or even rational as your worst. hlthe2b Thursday #41

US cash registers work the same as Canadian. Probably made and programmed in US. And DONT SMEAR ME Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #46

Cash registers ring up the prices the owner charges. THis is idiotic, Bernard. I thought you had compassion. hlthe2b Thursday #48

I am going by the facts. You point to no applicable facts Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #54

Look, I hate what Trump's policies are doing to Canadian-American relationships, but then you post this? hlthe2b Thursday #57

This thread is about eliminating the penny. Dragging irrelevant policies into the discussion is a distraction. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #68

even in the case of the 'poor' - the effect still amounts to - negligable stopdiggin Thursday #32

"Negligible" to you and I who are so little affected-not so much for the "cash economy." I wish we still had Bobbolink hlthe2b Thursday #38

How about you stop using Republicon naming of the Big Bum Bill, which this has NOTHING to do with. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #49

It is additive. Just like tariffs and every single policy in that bill that will decimate the poor. hlthe2b Thursday #51

It is not additive. You can't prove that. You haven't even tried to prove that. It is neutral Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #60

Says the Canadian who despite all of DU bemoaning Trump's damage to US-Canadian relationships hlthe2b Thursday #62

Where. Provide the link for your assertion. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #64

You are not worth my time. It was clearly highlighted in your previous posts. BYE. hlthe2b Thursday #66

Should your personal attack be alerted? I'm not going to alert your post #66 Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #69

I made no personal attack, quite the opposite in ignoring your attacks* and hoping a future will resolve hlthe2b Thursday #71

You wrote "You are not worth my time". . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #72

Not NOW you are not. Just posting the same thing over and over and over--ignoring my points & issues. hlthe2b Thursday #76

You are the one repeating. I made points that you have not refuted. You repeat points I have refuted. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #81

You mischaracterize me regarding the poor. When something is neutral to the poor it does NOT discount their plight Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #73

Because I am not talking about taxes as I have stated repeatedly. hlthe2b Thursday #77

You were the first to mention tariff taxes in posts 38 and 48. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #83

Count me opposed. Since when is creating currency or coin supposed to be at virtually no cost? hlthe2b Thursday #8

It's neutral, it's automatic, Canadians love it, it saves EVERYONE time and bother. You have no points to make. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #42

This isn't Canada. GO read the Big Beautiful bill and the harms that will come to that population and hlthe2b Thursday #45

This has NOTHING to do with the Big Bum Bill Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #47

It is additive. As is a lack of compassion for the impacts (EFFECTS if you prefer) to the poor. hlthe2b Thursday #53

It is not additive. No way. Simply saying that is no proof. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #56

The impacts, the EFFECTS of all these policies ARE additive. hlthe2b Thursday #61

Getting rid of the penny is not additive. It is neutral and makes life easier. There are no "additive" effects. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #63

Repeating your retort that tries so damned hard to reframe my point to your desired argument is so meaningless. hlthe2b Thursday #65

You have not been understanding that eliminating the penny is neutral and people like it where it has been done. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #70

Even reframing the use of the word "understanding..." as I used in my responses hlthe2b Thursday #78

Fine. You have not been understanding of me. You have not understood that I am using economics and mathematics.nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #84

Hmmmm? Wonder what nickels are worth now? brush Thursday #10

about 13 cents moonshinegnomie Thursday #55

Have they worked out this creating an even bigger problem with the nickel? Eugene Thursday #13

No problem with nickels in Canada. Yes, Canadian Treasury is revenue neutral bc rounding evens out in long run. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #44

I grew up in the 1950's and I remember "penny candies" FakeNoose Thursday #14

My childhood home was half a block from some railroad tracks. JustABozoOnThisBus Thursday #29

Yep ... we did that too when we were kids FakeNoose Thursday #31

We used to find them in the trolley tracks here in Philly BumRushDaShow Thursday #67

I think this sucks. And like everything else, it will hurt poor people. SunSeeker Thursday #16

It is entirely neutral for the poor. It rounds out, it is automatic, it is no cost. Experience proves it. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #50

We're talking America here. The "experience" in Europe does not apply. SunSeeker Thursday #75

I did not refer to Europe. And you are wrong about corporations Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #80

What US law are you referring to? SunSeeker Thursday #82

I am referring to the proposal of eliminating the penny which would be enacted by a law. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #87

So you're just making shit up. There is no US law requiring split rounding. nt SunSeeker Thursday #88

The OP is about a proposal. The proposal is not shit. It is practical. It would be enacted by law. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #91

THE OP DOES NOT DISCUSS HOW ROUNDING WILL BE HANDLED. SunSeeker Thursday #95

The elimination of the penny would require a law rounding cash transactions. This is obvious. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #97

Tell that to Trump, who eliminated the penny via social media post, with no law in place. nt SunSeeker Yesterday #123

Got any more practical suggestions? He did not eliminate it. Be real. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #126

It's not my suggestion. Trump tweeted he was ending penny production and Treasury complied. All illegal of course. SunSeeker Yesterday #128

He can order the tide to recede if he likes. That doesn't make it real. A tweet is not an Executive Order. Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #131

His declarations are treated as law by his subservient executive branch. SunSeeker Yesterday #133

becasue of teh way rounding is done it wont hurt them moonshinegnomie Thursday #59

That is not how the rounding will be done in the US. SunSeeker Thursday #79

just going off texas laws moonshinegnomie Thursday #104

good. i've been refusing to take them for yrs. they arent money any more. mopinko Thursday #21

A penny for your thoughts Canada Kid Thursday #24

No more make a wish penny in the fountain? Sigh. The modern era. cbabe Thursday #27

When I was stationed in Germany the US stopped sending pennies to the base banks. SeattleVet Thursday #43

I think my time in Germany is why I hate having change in my pocket underpants Thursday #92

The rounding from the elimination of pennies would be on final transaction, not on prices. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #111

In Germanic if it said 4 12 or 18 it was that underpants Thursday #117

i have no problem with dumping the penny moonshinegnomie Thursday #58

Irrelevant: "costs more to manufacture than the coin is worth." That would only matter if the coin was only used FSogol Thursday #98

in 2024 it cost about 2.5c to make a penny according to the mint moonshinegnomie Thursday #105

these are a few countries that have dropped their equivalent of teh penny moonshinegnomie Thursday #106

Capitulation to Trump inflation bucolic_frolic Thursday #102

Not capitulation, not rounding prices, no problem balancing books. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #113

Do Canadian pennies still circulate? bucolic_frolic Thursday #114

Nope. Nobody gives or takes pennies, esp not underground. Most were redeemed at banks. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #115

Now it will be Take A Nickel, Give A Nickel at checkout. BadgerKid Thursday #103

They say it costs four cents to make each penny. Why not just offer everyone two cents for every penny they turn in. twodogsbarking Thursday #107

Good cabotnn22 Thursday #108

I am selling pennies for 2 cents each mdbl Thursday #109

Will we then have to "surrender" our pennies because they won't no_hypocrisy Yesterday #134

Will very likely remain legal tender DetroitLegalBeagle Yesterday #135

Massive cash contributions from copper-mining firms to trump in 10, 9, 8, 7... (nt) Paladin Yesterday #138