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hlthe2b

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48. Cash registers ring up the prices the owner charges. THis is idiotic, Bernard. I thought you had compassion.
Thu May 22, 2025, 02:22 PM
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And, no, it is not rocket surgery. Both a change in coinage and tariffs will give those remaining cash-accepting businesses every excuse possible to abuse the poor who cannot just pull out a credit/debit card or flash their IPHONE. The government does not set prices and every chain gas station/convenience store in the US have different prices for cash versus credit cards--for different reasons and different end results but it illustrated that the business can use these excuses to discriminate on pricing. This isn't Canada.

I don't really think you are unable to recognize this. Nor do I really think you don't care. But you aren't showing it. I really wish you'd been around when we had several very sincere yet "down on their luck" homeless posters that regularly interacted and advocated for policies for the poor. Many of us tried to help them--especially one in particular (Bobbolink, who has since stopped posting), but they really did open up our eyes to that which we routinely ignore--because what's a few pennies to you and I, right?

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Noooooo, I love pennies and used to have several of those folding blue collector books of them (lost in a move)... wcmagumba Thursday #1
The ninnies put us in a pickle Marthe48 Thursday #2
This will complicate sales taxes no end Jilly_in_VA Thursday #3
New Zealand got rid of them in 1990. nilram Thursday #7
So, if my purchase has 11 cents sales tax, I'll have to no_hypocrisy Thursday #11
Standard rounding rules evens it all out [updated] PSPS Thursday #12
Shops will always round UP, not down. This erodes purchasing power. SunSeeker Thursday #17
that hasn't been what happens in other economies stopdiggin Thursday #22
What the fuck are you talking about? People do accept their change in pennies. SunSeeker Thursday #23
no sir. you are wrong on both accounts. stopdiggin Thursday #28
And you sir are wrong on 3 counts. SunSeeker Thursday #85
"And if you tried to round down it would be considered theft or shoplifting." stopdiggin Thursday #112
Go to the grocery store and try it. nt SunSeeker Yesterday #122
when I go to the grocery store, the cashier tells me the total on my bill stopdiggin Yesterday #129
You make my point. You pay what the store tells you, or you get no groceries. SunSeeker Yesterday #132
which of course has not a single thing to do with conversation at hand stopdiggin Yesterday #137
Yes it does. And, "as a reminder," I was responding to your post. SunSeeker 21 hrs ago #139
You voluntary round up your grocery tab? stopdiggin 16 hrs ago #140
No. Which is why I oppose getting rid of pennies when there is no law in place requiring rounding up AND down. SunSeeker 16 hrs ago #141
well, at least we're no longer ploughing trenchant (and immaterial) ground stopdiggin 14 hrs ago #142
I was never "ploughing immaterial ground." Pennies matter to the poor. SunSeeker 12 hrs ago #143
And I will continue to maintain that the 'pennies matter' mantra stopdiggin 10 hrs ago #144
Wrong. The rounding in Canada is mandated by law and consumers and merchants love it. It's neutral. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #35
That's CANADA, where people are also guaranteed free healthcare. SunSeeker Thursday #86
Eliminating healthcare has nothing to do with eliminating the penalty. The poor would lose no pennies on bread Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #89
What "proposed law" would require split rounding IN THE US? Name it please. SunSeeker Thursday #93
The law that would be required to eliminate the penny would have to be proposed, passed and enacted. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #96
The Bill regarding elimination of the penny was introduced in the House in February of this year Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #110
Wrong. SunSeeker Yesterday #120
You didn't search Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #124
You didn't read SunSeeker Yesterday #127
Fair enough. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #130
Here is the bill for the proposed law. Yes, it includes rounding in both directions, as is expected and sensible. thesquanderer Thursday #116
That proposal would still make people pay 5 cents for anything that costs 1-4 cents. But better than no law. SunSeeker Yesterday #119
There is probably nothing in a store that costs 1-4 cents. thesquanderer Yesterday #136
No. It does not work that way. Nonsense. The law in Canada mandates rounding, which balances out Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #34
You are the one spreading nonsense. We are not Canada. We have no such law. nt SunSeeker Thursday #90
I never claimed the US had such a law. We are discussing the proposal to eliminate the penny. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #94
LOL. The "obvious" path is not the one the US will always take. SunSeeker Thursday #99
Healthcare has nothing to do with eliminating the penny. The poor won't lose 4 cents on bread Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #100
"if Canada and New Zealand can accomplish...then so can the USA." SunSeeker Yesterday #121
Eliminating the penny is much simpler than ANY of those. Obviously. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #125
Surely they'll be rounding to 5 cents, not to 10 muriel_volestrangler Thursday #19
Yes, as you say. It balances out, it's automatic in cash register, which is told cash or card Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #36
Egads! I obviously screwed up my post and will correct it. PSPS Thursday #52
absolutely not. the sales tax figure remains - 11 cents (which is of course bundled into your purchase price) stopdiggin Thursday #20
No. Bill added up, tax computed, final amount rounded plus/minus to 5 cents not ten, and only if cash. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #37
When I was in Germany 40 years ago there wasn't a lot of US coin change around for the PX. Jacson6 Thursday #74
No Polybius Thursday #118
no it won't. stopdiggin Thursday #15
Not a problem, no complication. Half the time the customer's bill is rounded down, the other half rounded up Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #33
With so many transactions being electronic customerserviceguy Thursday #101
When Nixon told the nation to stop hoarding pennies, my wife began hoarding them in earnest. Bo Zarts Thursday #4
They haven't had pennies in Canada for years Freddie Thursday #5
long overdue. this is one place where public sentiment ran counter stopdiggin Thursday #6
But, they WILL (round up) hlthe2b Thursday #9
Depends what the laws will say. cstanleytech Thursday #18
ONLY on cash purchases. and, even there, on any purchase greater than we'll say 2 or 3 dollars stopdiggin Thursday #25
The lack of concern for the poor who do not and will not have the access to credit cards, debit cards, hlthe2b Thursday #26
It's neutral. Half the time it rounds down; other half time rounds up. Canadians are happy with the move years ago. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #30
There is still a cash economy that is hard for many to remember--for the poorest among us. hlthe2b Thursday #39
It's on the bill. The poorest in Canada have no problem with it. It's neutral, by law and automatic in the register. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #40
This isn't Canada. And our "conservatives" are in no way comparable or even rational as your worst. hlthe2b Thursday #41
US cash registers work the same as Canadian. Probably made and programmed in US. And DONT SMEAR ME Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #46
Cash registers ring up the prices the owner charges. THis is idiotic, Bernard. I thought you had compassion. hlthe2b Thursday #48
I am going by the facts. You point to no applicable facts Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #54
Look, I hate what Trump's policies are doing to Canadian-American relationships, but then you post this? hlthe2b Thursday #57
This thread is about eliminating the penny. Dragging irrelevant policies into the discussion is a distraction. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #68
even in the case of the 'poor' - the effect still amounts to - negligable stopdiggin Thursday #32
"Negligible" to you and I who are so little affected-not so much for the "cash economy." I wish we still had Bobbolink hlthe2b Thursday #38
How about you stop using Republicon naming of the Big Bum Bill, which this has NOTHING to do with. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #49
It is additive. Just like tariffs and every single policy in that bill that will decimate the poor. hlthe2b Thursday #51
It is not additive. You can't prove that. You haven't even tried to prove that. It is neutral Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #60
Says the Canadian who despite all of DU bemoaning Trump's damage to US-Canadian relationships hlthe2b Thursday #62
Where. Provide the link for your assertion. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #64
You are not worth my time. It was clearly highlighted in your previous posts. BYE. hlthe2b Thursday #66
Should your personal attack be alerted? I'm not going to alert your post #66 Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #69
I made no personal attack, quite the opposite in ignoring your attacks* and hoping a future will resolve hlthe2b Thursday #71
You wrote "You are not worth my time". . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #72
Not NOW you are not. Just posting the same thing over and over and over--ignoring my points & issues. hlthe2b Thursday #76
You are the one repeating. I made points that you have not refuted. You repeat points I have refuted. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #81
You mischaracterize me regarding the poor. When something is neutral to the poor it does NOT discount their plight Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #73
Because I am not talking about taxes as I have stated repeatedly. hlthe2b Thursday #77
You were the first to mention tariff taxes in posts 38 and 48. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #83
Count me opposed. Since when is creating currency or coin supposed to be at virtually no cost? hlthe2b Thursday #8
It's neutral, it's automatic, Canadians love it, it saves EVERYONE time and bother. You have no points to make. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #42
This isn't Canada. GO read the Big Beautiful bill and the harms that will come to that population and hlthe2b Thursday #45
This has NOTHING to do with the Big Bum Bill Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #47
It is additive. As is a lack of compassion for the impacts (EFFECTS if you prefer) to the poor. hlthe2b Thursday #53
It is not additive. No way. Simply saying that is no proof. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #56
The impacts, the EFFECTS of all these policies ARE additive. hlthe2b Thursday #61
Getting rid of the penny is not additive. It is neutral and makes life easier. There are no "additive" effects. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #63
Repeating your retort that tries so damned hard to reframe my point to your desired argument is so meaningless. hlthe2b Thursday #65
You have not been understanding that eliminating the penny is neutral and people like it where it has been done. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #70
Even reframing the use of the word "understanding..." as I used in my responses hlthe2b Thursday #78
Fine. You have not been understanding of me. You have not understood that I am using economics and mathematics.nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #84
Hmmmm? Wonder what nickels are worth now? brush Thursday #10
about 13 cents moonshinegnomie Thursday #55
Have they worked out this creating an even bigger problem with the nickel? Eugene Thursday #13
No problem with nickels in Canada. Yes, Canadian Treasury is revenue neutral bc rounding evens out in long run. nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #44
I grew up in the 1950's and I remember "penny candies" FakeNoose Thursday #14
My childhood home was half a block from some railroad tracks. JustABozoOnThisBus Thursday #29
Yep ... we did that too when we were kids FakeNoose Thursday #31
We used to find them in the trolley tracks here in Philly BumRushDaShow Thursday #67
I think this sucks. And like everything else, it will hurt poor people. SunSeeker Thursday #16
It is entirely neutral for the poor. It rounds out, it is automatic, it is no cost. Experience proves it. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #50
We're talking America here. The "experience" in Europe does not apply. SunSeeker Thursday #75
I did not refer to Europe. And you are wrong about corporations Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #80
What US law are you referring to? SunSeeker Thursday #82
I am referring to the proposal of eliminating the penny which would be enacted by a law. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #87
So you're just making shit up. There is no US law requiring split rounding. nt SunSeeker Thursday #88
The OP is about a proposal. The proposal is not shit. It is practical. It would be enacted by law. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #91
THE OP DOES NOT DISCUSS HOW ROUNDING WILL BE HANDLED. SunSeeker Thursday #95
The elimination of the penny would require a law rounding cash transactions. This is obvious. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #97
Tell that to Trump, who eliminated the penny via social media post, with no law in place. nt SunSeeker Yesterday #123
Got any more practical suggestions? He did not eliminate it. Be real. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #126
It's not my suggestion. Trump tweeted he was ending penny production and Treasury complied. All illegal of course. SunSeeker Yesterday #128
He can order the tide to recede if he likes. That doesn't make it real. A tweet is not an Executive Order. Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #131
His declarations are treated as law by his subservient executive branch. SunSeeker Yesterday #133
becasue of teh way rounding is done it wont hurt them moonshinegnomie Thursday #59
That is not how the rounding will be done in the US. SunSeeker Thursday #79
just going off texas laws moonshinegnomie Thursday #104
good. i've been refusing to take them for yrs. they arent money any more. mopinko Thursday #21
A penny for your thoughts Canada Kid Thursday #24
No more make a wish penny in the fountain? Sigh. The modern era. cbabe Thursday #27
When I was stationed in Germany the US stopped sending pennies to the base banks. SeattleVet Thursday #43
I think my time in Germany is why I hate having change in my pocket underpants Thursday #92
The rounding from the elimination of pennies would be on final transaction, not on prices. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #111
In Germanic if it said 4 12 or 18 it was that underpants Thursday #117
i have no problem with dumping the penny moonshinegnomie Thursday #58
Irrelevant: "costs more to manufacture than the coin is worth." That would only matter if the coin was only used FSogol Thursday #98
in 2024 it cost about 2.5c to make a penny according to the mint moonshinegnomie Thursday #105
these are a few countries that have dropped their equivalent of teh penny moonshinegnomie Thursday #106
Capitulation to Trump inflation bucolic_frolic Thursday #102
Not capitulation, not rounding prices, no problem balancing books. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #113
Do Canadian pennies still circulate? bucolic_frolic Thursday #114
Nope. Nobody gives or takes pennies, esp not underground. Most were redeemed at banks. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #115
Now it will be Take A Nickel, Give A Nickel at checkout. BadgerKid Thursday #103
They say it costs four cents to make each penny. Why not just offer everyone two cents for every penny they turn in. twodogsbarking Thursday #107
Good cabotnn22 Thursday #108
I am selling pennies for 2 cents each mdbl Thursday #109
Will we then have to "surrender" our pennies because they won't no_hypocrisy Yesterday #134
Will very likely remain legal tender DetroitLegalBeagle Yesterday #135
Massive cash contributions from copper-mining firms to trump in 10, 9, 8, 7... (nt) Paladin 23 hrs ago #138
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