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Richard D

(9,785 posts)
159. Perhaps, perhaps not
Mon May 19, 2025, 09:39 AM
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The general feeling now is that the war is coming to an end. The Hamas leaders are all pushing daisies, and there is an anti-Hamas movement in Gaza. The people are realizing that they have been used, and many do not want to be martyrs for a lost cause.

Total defeat means surrender and sitting down at the negotiating tables to create a new future, like Germany and Japan ending WWII, and a lot of etc. It would also mean a willingness to reform the education system there to get the Jew-hate out of the school books and curriculum.

Many of the neighboring Arab states want peace. Watch for the Abraham Accords to be expanded. According to recently found Hamas documents, the main reason they instigated the war was to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia from signing the accord.

As to the idea that this cycle will go on into the far future, I don't know. I think that is fear-based. We don't really see other defeated countries that accepted defeat, as in the case of Germany and Japan, continuing the cycle of hatred and lobbing bombs across their borders. Now they are two of the strongest economies in the world, and the lives of the people are far better than they were under fascism. Gaza could follow that pathway, and the Gazans could have a far better life than they ever had under Hamas or the PA. Many there want that and realize that Hamas is a dead-end.

BTW, every aid truck that enters Gaza that Hamas hijacks is enough to fund a brigade for a month. As of yesterday, I believe, aid trucks will be allowed in with enough protection that the food will go to the people instead of to Hamas for inflated resale to the people.

I am optimistic, very guardedly. There are no high-level Hamas leaders left alive (correction: 25%--10--remain temporarily alive out of 50), and more terror tunnels are being destroyed almost daily. Imagine what Gaza could be like today had the tens of billions of dollars in aid that entered that poor place had gone to improving the quality of life there instead of funding Hamas and making their leaders multi-billionaires? I am sure many citizens of Gaza are also imagining that.

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Geeeeebz! electric_blue68 May 17 #1
UN Human Rights Chief: "tantamount to ethnic cleansing" muriel_volestrangler May 17 #2
A fucking hyporite. Beastly Boy May 17 #7
Didn't Israel Eko May 17 #38
No. No it didn't. Beastly Boy May 17 #47
Here is some info from Israeli Newspapers IbogaProject May 17 #55
Does any of your sources contradich what I posted? Beastly Boy May 17 #58
Seems like they did. Eko May 17 #96
Do you ever read articles beyond headlines? I do. Most of the time. Beastly Boy May 17 #97
Ya I read the whole thing. Eko May 17 #104
I congrtulate you on reading the whole thing. Beastly Boy Sunday #125
So, Eko May 17 #105
I have full confidence in you to find the fallacy imbedded in this question. Beastly Boy Sunday #126
Ah, well, why dont you? Eko Sunday #127
You mean the UN agency UNRWA - the lifeline for Palestinians - that Israel destroyed? AloeVera May 17 #103
Must be a different UNRWA. Beastly Boy May 17 #118
Yes, your UNRWA is a fantasy. AloeVera May 17 #120
Yes, an independently confirmed fantasy widely covered in the media as if it were fact-based. Their mistale. Beastly Boy Sunday #123
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Thank you. Very helpful indeed. Something that you previously called a fantasy being confirmed as fact Beastly Boy Sunday #146
Yup, your UNRWA is a fantasy. Eko Sunday #156
Disgusting claudette May 17 #3
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👍 claudette May 17 #5
It looks like Trump is giving it a serious rethink. Beastly Boy May 17 #9
Hezbollah mainains the largest non-state military in the WORLD. Mosby May 17 #32
More blah blah blah claudette May 17 #33
Hezbollah is the reason Israel needs US military aid to defend itself. Beastly Boy May 17 #48
I don't get the part where Israel is defending itself by killing women and children. Permanut May 17 #79
Do you get the part where Israel is defending itself against Hamas, the Houhtis, Islamic Jihad, Iran, and Syria? Beastly Boy May 17 #83
I Missed The Part About Blocking Food and Supplies to Women and Children in Mass Starvation DrFunkenstein May 17 #115
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Egypt shares a border with Gaza cabotnn22 Sunday #158
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Drop them in where? Beastly Boy May 17 #98
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The questions remain: send them in where? Beastly Boy Sunday #129
Well a good place to send them might be where they hit with the missiles perhaps?? cstanleytech Sunday #132
The same targets they are hitting now except doing so not with a single strike but Beastly Boy Sunday #136
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I'm not proposing it. I'm simply wondering why they choose air strikes rather than ground troops. cstanleytech Sunday #141
Your wondering contains a proposition for a ground assault. Beastly Boy Sunday #143
Ahhh. Okay. Thanks for explaining your thoughts on why 🙂 cstanleytech Sunday #148
And, drum roll, supplying the weapons. twodogsbarking May 17 #14
Hamas needs to return the hostages. Mossfern May 17 #15
Israel is destroying Gaza and committing BuddhaGirl May 17 #17
So..... Mossfern May 17 #18
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It's UNRWA Beastly Boy May 17 #80
Thanks for posting this, I was napping Mossfern May 17 #94
They wanted to but Netanyahu broke the ceasefire. AloeVera May 17 #30
I could agree with what you are saying Mossfern May 17 #31
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No. We need to free the hostages. Beastly Boy May 17 #51
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Israel won't stop committing war crimes until the enemy capitulates? AloeVera Sunday #140
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"The Holy Land" Skittles May 17 #6
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Genocide in plain sight, Bayard May 17 #10
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Maybe you can explain how murdering tens of thousands of civilians will free the hostages Orrex May 17 #21
I didn't say that I agree with the bombings -don't put words into my mouth Mossfern May 17 #24
What has HAMAs offered? MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #29
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If one supports current Israeli activities in Gaza or the West Bank, one is a PufPuf23 May 17 #81
Are you saying that there are Bibi apologists here? MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #20
I asked that question here not too long ago Mossfern May 17 #25
Yeah, I remember that thread, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #26
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I myself would never alert on such a post, although I do understand that it could be considered a call out, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #36
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No need to point to threads, beyond those with "Gaza" in the title muriel_volestrangler May 17 #85
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I'm just as horrified by the carnage on both sides, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #41
But that's just nonsense Orrex May 17 #43
Israel already had 10s of thousands of prisoners it held in prison w/o charges questionseverything May 17 #108
And don't you pretend that HAMAs invaded Israel, torturing, maiming, raping, murdering, kidnapping MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #111
But you see those people aren't "hostages". AloeVera May 17 #113
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People's lives aren't numbers Hieronymus Phact May 17 #66
But slaughter of innocents is always wrong, right? AloeVera May 17 #84
I never implied otherwise Hieronymus Phact May 17 #102
The only people who ever make that "people aren't numbers" argument Orrex May 17 #90
You never answered Hieronymus Phact May 17 #109
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That's a preposterous comparison. Beastly Boy May 17 #67
While our illustrious press is concerned about Biden, the international news JohnSJ May 17 #27
That would be good news indeed if Netanyahu hadn't already said: AloeVera May 17 #37
Releasing the hostages and/or their remains couldn't hurt. Frasier Balzov May 17 #42
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If shaming Israel's cruelty is Hamas's objective Frasier Balzov May 17 #50
That's a lot of words to say "Palestinian children deserve to die en masse" Orrex May 17 #54
Islam asks us. Frasier Balzov May 17 #57
All religious justifications are bullshit, no exceptions. Orrex May 17 #59
I wish they would. AloeVera May 17 #45
What will stop this war . . . Richard D May 17 #46
In other words, it will never stop. Or until Palestinians are caged up in a dark hell-hole in Libya. AloeVera Sunday #150
Perhaps, perhaps not Richard D Monday #159
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"Operation Gideon's Chariots" LudwigPastorius May 17 #53
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The odd thing is that in the early Bible, the only people with chariots are the baddies muriel_volestrangler May 17 #87
I don't follow Israel/Palestinians/Arabs issues That closely but I have been off & on for decades. This comment from... electric_blue68 May 17 #65
That's not what he said. I noted it earlier. Beastly Boy May 17 #76
"Making sure this never happens again is THE goal." LudwigPastorius May 17 #119
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Trying what? The Israelis have been trying many thubgs for over half a century. Beastly Boy Sunday #154
The hostages and Oct 7 provided the pretext to achieve hidden goals. AloeVera May 17 #82
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Lol. I've been wondering the same about your side! AloeVera May 17 #91
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You misread or something. AloeVera May 17 #101
Or something. Beastly Boy May 17 #114
I faulted the hostages? AloeVera May 17 #116
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I am almost tempted to apologize. Beastly Boy Sunday #124
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