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149. It's not a numbers game, and your question is pointless

Sun May 18, 2025, 02:26 PM

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The only reason you don't answer my question is because you know that I'm completely right and you're completely wrong.

As to your silly question? When do we start the count? What kind of fool would offer that kind of petty tit-for-tat as a legitimate way forward? But if we had to pick a starting date, why not 1948?

Rather than disingenuously wondering when we should "start" to count the innocent dead, why don't we worry instead about stopping Bibi's ongoing and deliberate campaign of widespread civilian murder, along with Hamas' murderous terrorist assaults?

Since Israel is nominally our ally, and since we give them tens of billions with no strings attached, maybe we should attach a few strings? Namely, that they stop deliberately murdering civilians by the hundreds. We have no real leverage to stop Hamas, because they're a vile terrorist regime, but they also don't have the means or reach to kill as many civilians as Bibi can do before his morning coffee. But that the "numbers game" that you find too inconvenient to address.

This discussion is at an end because you refuse (or are unable) to engage the subject rationally.

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It's not a numbers game, and your question is pointless Orrex May 18 #149

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