Israel launches major offensive in Gaza after airstrikes that killed more than 100

[Orrex]

117. I'm betting that you aren't really that naive.

Wow, your argument IS people are just numbers?
Since your morality hinges on the numbers,
When do we start counting from?

First off, that's a straw man; my morality does not hinge on the numbers, but the numbers are indeed a factor in the current situation. If they were not, why would Israel invoke the 1,200 innocent people slaughtered on Oct7? Or the number of hostages held by the vile terrorist regime Hamas? Are you inclined to scold Israel for treating people as numbers?

Your blather about a scoreboard is useless unless (at the very least) the two "teams" are of equal might, are equally well-funded, and are equally able to escape the conflict. Since none of those is the case re: Gaza, your analogy can be abandoned.

Now I propose a hypothetical. It's not a false dilemma, because I'm not pretending that the two listed choices are the only options in reality, but for purpose of illustration I limit the hypothetical to two:

1. House A is on fire, and five people about whom you know nothing else are trapped inside.
2. House B is on fire, and fifty people about whom you know nothing else are trapped inside.
3. You can save the people in only one of the two houses; the others will perish horribly.

Both outcomes are horrible, but are you unable to distinguish between them? And if you are able to distinguish, then how do you do it, if not based on numbers?
How do you decide based on numbers, when you seem to insist that such a thing is morally unacceptable?


Here's another hypothetical:
1. Murderer A kills one person.
2. Murderer B kills 50 people.

Both are horrible, but are you unable to distinguish between them? And if you are able to distinguish, then how do you do it, if not based on numbers?


Here's another hypothetical:
1. Group A lobs low-accuracy, limited-range rockets more or less blindly into sections of Area B, occasionally killing innocent civilians.
2. Group B routinely bombs Area A with advanced, high-powered, high-precision munitions dropped or fired into carefully chosen sections of Area A, routinely killing dozens of innocent civilians.

Both situations are horrible, but are you unable to distinguish between them? And if you are able to distinguish, then how do you do it, if not based on numbers?

How about both sides stop killing innocent people?

Well no shit. But Bibi's apologists defend with passion his ongoing murder of innocents, while no one here is defending Hamas for doing so (in much smaller numbers, incidentally). Or, if they are defending Hamas in this regard, please PM me a link to the thread in question so that I can call out their disgusting bullshit.