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30. They wanted to but Netanyahu broke the ceasefire.

Sat May 17, 2025, 12:50 PM

May 17

You should be asking why he did that.

Or why he sealed the fate of the hostages when he said a day or so ago in announcing the intensified slaughter that if Hamas wanted to release hostages, that's fine, but "nothing will stop the war".

The hostages were a secondary priority for him. Hamas offered to release the hostages in OCTOBER 2023! but Netanyahu wanted to continue destroying ~~Hamas~~ Palestinians and Gaza. For the ultimate goal of cleansing it of Palestinians and annexing Gaza.

The abhorrent, hidden motives - now in plain view - really should be obvious by now to all. Even Netanyahu doesn't bother with the mask anymore - clearly making the hostage argument moot even for Israel's defenders.

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Israel launches major offensive in Gaza after airstrikes that killed more than 100 [View all] muriel_volestrangler May 17 OP

Geeeeebz! electric_blue68 May 17 #1

UN Human Rights Chief: "tantamount to ethnic cleansing" muriel_volestrangler May 17 #2

A fucking hyporite. Beastly Boy May 17 #7

Didn't Israel Eko May 17 #38

No. No it didn't. Beastly Boy May 17 #47

Here is some info from Israeli Newspapers IbogaProject May 17 #55

Does any of your sources contradich what I posted? Beastly Boy May 17 #58

Seems like they did. Eko May 17 #96

Do you ever read articles beyond headlines? I do. Most of the time. Beastly Boy May 17 #97

Ya I read the whole thing. Eko May 17 #104

I congrtulate you on reading the whole thing. Beastly Boy Sunday #125

So, Eko May 17 #105

I have full confidence in you to find the fallacy imbedded in this question. Beastly Boy Sunday #126

Ah, well, why dont you? Eko Sunday #127

You mean the UN agency UNRWA - the lifeline for Palestinians - that Israel destroyed? AloeVera May 17 #103

Must be a different UNRWA. Beastly Boy May 17 #118

Yes, your UNRWA is a fantasy. AloeVera May 17 #120

Yes, an independently confirmed fantasy widely covered in the media as if it were fact-based. Their mistale. Beastly Boy Sunday #123

Here you go. AloeVera Sunday #144

Thank you. Very helpful indeed. Something that you previously called a fantasy being confirmed as fact Beastly Boy Sunday #146

Yup, your UNRWA is a fantasy. Eko Sunday #156

Disgusting claudette May 17 #3

Ain't that the truth? The influence of AIPAC and the other pro-Israeli lobbyists, as well as our historically.... FadedMullet May 17 #4

👍 claudette May 17 #5

It looks like Trump is giving it a serious rethink. Beastly Boy May 17 #9

Hezbollah mainains the largest non-state military in the WORLD. Mosby May 17 #32

More blah blah blah claudette May 17 #33

Hezbollah is the reason Israel needs US military aid to defend itself. Beastly Boy May 17 #48

I don't get the part where Israel is defending itself by killing women and children. Permanut May 17 #79

Do you get the part where Israel is defending itself against Hamas, the Houhtis, Islamic Jihad, Iran, and Syria? Beastly Boy May 17 #83

I Missed The Part About Blocking Food and Supplies to Women and Children in Mass Starvation DrFunkenstein May 17 #115

My question was about what you did get, not what you missed. Beastly Boy Sunday #130

Egypt shares a border with Gaza cabotnn22 Sunday #158

Great question, MarineCombatEngineer Monday #161

I've had distain for Netanyahoo for decades...but don't forget Israel's been... electric_blue68 May 17 #60

You're right. I should not have said Jews. I'm usually more careful in distinguishing between Israel's rabid right.... FadedMullet May 17 #74

It is warfare. In self defense. Beastly Boy May 17 #8

Why not drop in military personnel instead to raid the hospitals? cstanleytech May 17 #95

Drop them in where? Beastly Boy May 17 #98

Well there are other options than dropping them. cstanleytech May 17 #112

The questions remain: send them in where? Beastly Boy Sunday #129

Well a good place to send them might be where they hit with the missiles perhaps?? cstanleytech Sunday #132

The same targets they are hitting now except doing so not with a single strike but Beastly Boy Sunday #136

Your last question is not really a good one since most of us don't know and that's why I'm asking my question. cstanleytech Sunday #137

Well, your observation is exactly the reason my question is a good one. Beastly Boy Sunday #139

I'm not proposing it. I'm simply wondering why they choose air strikes rather than ground troops. cstanleytech Sunday #141

Your wondering contains a proposition for a ground assault. Beastly Boy Sunday #143

Ahhh. Okay. Thanks for explaining your thoughts on why 🙂 cstanleytech Sunday #148

And, drum roll, supplying the weapons. twodogsbarking May 17 #14

Hamas needs to return the hostages. Mossfern May 17 #15

Israel is destroying Gaza and committing BuddhaGirl May 17 #17

So..... Mossfern May 17 #18

Ummm... electric_blue68 May 17 #68

It's UNRWA Beastly Boy May 17 #80

Thanks for posting this, I was napping Mossfern May 17 #94

They wanted to but Netanyahu broke the ceasefire. AloeVera May 17 #30

I could agree with what you are saying Mossfern May 17 #31

Do we need a solution to the whole issue before we can agree that this slaughter of civilians is wrong? AloeVera May 17 #35

No. We need to free the hostages. Beastly Boy May 17 #51

Bullshit. No one was stoping them from returning the hostages. Ever. Beastly Boy May 17 #49

Israel won't stop committing war crimes until the enemy capitulates? AloeVera Sunday #140

Huh? Do you even hear what YOU are admitting to? Beastly Boy Sunday #142

Willfully missing the point and putting words in my mouth to demonize me. Again. AloeVera Sunday #145

The abhorrent premise behind your point makes it immaterial. Beastly Boy Sunday #147

A lesson in the art of.... AloeVera Sunday #152

"The Holy Land" Skittles May 17 #6

YES, and the religious right (MAGA rethugs) want this same shit bluestarone May 17 #106

Genocide in plain sight, Bayard May 17 #10

No need. The absurdity of the same old tired talking points is self-evident. Beastly Boy May 17 #11

Back at'cha! Bayard May 17 #62

If I had all the time in the world, I am sure I could have come up with a weaker response. Beastly Boy May 17 #69

I'm going to tell Mom! Bayard May 17 #73

Tired talking points and deflections fail to stop the slaughter. PufPuf23 May 17 #78

Religion nowforever May 17 #12

I'm all in. twodogsbarking May 17 #13

You are so correct ! kimbutgar May 17 #28

I'm sure that this is all Hamas' fault, and they can end it whenever they want Orrex May 17 #16

I don't know of any Bibi apologists here Mossfern May 17 #19

Maybe you can explain how murdering tens of thousands of civilians will free the hostages Orrex May 17 #21

I didn't say that I agree with the bombings -don't put words into my mouth Mossfern May 17 #24

What has HAMAs offered? MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #29

Yes, Palestinians should just stay in their "borders". AloeVera May 17 #70

Maybe you can explain how taking and holding the hostages will end civilian deaths. Beastly Boy May 17 #52

If one supports current Israeli activities in Gaza or the West Bank, one is a PufPuf23 May 17 #81

Are you saying that there are Bibi apologists here? MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #20

I asked that question here not too long ago Mossfern May 17 #25

Yeah, I remember that thread, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #26

Obviously, any link to an apologist would get alerted on for calling them out muriel_volestrangler May 17 #34

I myself would never alert on such a post, although I do understand that it could be considered a call out, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #36

You've got the cause and effect exactly reversed. Beastly Boy May 17 #56

Not really, you don't have to call out any DU poster, just point to the thread you think it happened in.. EX500rider May 17 #63

No need to point to threads, beyond those with "Gaza" in the title muriel_volestrangler May 17 #85

I see, so there are none? EX500rider May 17 #88

No, you don't see. muriel_volestrangler May 17 #89

Yep. They will have to live with the stink of genocide they supported. Hassin Bin Sober May 17 #110

Hold on. You just said there aren't any DUers who have ever done that? Violet_Crumble Sunday #157

You're asking me to call out DUers by name in violation of the TOS Orrex May 17 #39

I'm just as horrified by the carnage on both sides, MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #41

But that's just nonsense Orrex May 17 #43

Israel already had 10s of thousands of prisoners it held in prison w/o charges questionseverything May 17 #108

And don't you pretend that HAMAs invaded Israel, torturing, maiming, raping, murdering, kidnapping MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #111

But you see those people aren't "hostages". AloeVera May 17 #113

You will be hard pressed to find any DUers arguing in favor of the way the Netanyahu's government conducts the war Beastly Boy May 17 #61

Oh my God, I am so relieved! AloeVera May 17 #107

I am very happy for you. I hope you enjoyed it. Beastly Boy Sunday #128

I do enjoy it. You do provide endless entertainment. AloeVera Sunday #133

Of course you are not sure what I mean. You never were. Beastly Boy Sunday #138

Careful... Hieronymus Phact May 17 #22

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer May 17 #23

Let's talk numbers. Orrex May 17 #40

"How many Palestinian civilians has Israel killed?" EX500rider May 17 #64

Isn't part of the problem that some of the IDF has done rogue things.. electric_blue68 May 17 #71

Right, right. Orrex May 17 #93

People's lives aren't numbers Hieronymus Phact May 17 #66

But slaughter of innocents is always wrong, right? AloeVera May 17 #84

I never implied otherwise Hieronymus Phact May 17 #102

The only people who ever make that "people aren't numbers" argument Orrex May 17 #90

You never answered Hieronymus Phact May 17 #109

I'm betting that you aren't really that naive. Orrex May 17 #117

I told you: not playing your numbers games Hieronymus Phact Sunday #131

It's not a numbers game, and your question is pointless Orrex Sunday #149

After all that it's really all about you Hieronymus Phact Monday #160

That's a preposterous comparison. Beastly Boy May 17 #67

While our illustrious press is concerned about Biden, the international news JohnSJ May 17 #27

That would be good news indeed if Netanyahu hadn't already said: AloeVera May 17 #37

Releasing the hostages and/or their remains couldn't hurt. Frasier Balzov May 17 #42

Right. But all along, that's been the claim. Orrex May 17 #44

If shaming Israel's cruelty is Hamas's objective Frasier Balzov May 17 #50

That's a lot of words to say "Palestinian children deserve to die en masse" Orrex May 17 #54

Islam asks us. Frasier Balzov May 17 #57

All religious justifications are bullshit, no exceptions. Orrex May 17 #59

I wish they would. AloeVera May 17 #45

What will stop this war . . . Richard D May 17 #46

In other words, it will never stop. Or until Palestinians are caged up in a dark hell-hole in Libya. AloeVera Sunday #150

Perhaps, perhaps not Richard D Monday #159

Call me suspicious, but methinks your quote is fake. Beastly Boy May 17 #72

No. There isn't. N/T AloeVera May 17 #92

Seriously? Beastly Boy May 17 #99

She's being quite transparent in defending HAMAs and vilifying Israel. MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #134

Well, well, well, lookee here... AloeVera Sunday #153

Congrartulations! You found a BBC reporter who editorialized the hell out of what Netanyahu said. Beastly Boy Sunday #155

"Operation Gideon's Chariots" LudwigPastorius May 17 #53

Yes, indeed. Netanyahu doesn't have to "trust in God's power" because he has 1000 pound bombs and fighter jets. FadedMullet May 17 #75

With 2000 pound bombs, who even needs God anymore? AloeVera May 17 #77

The odd thing is that in the early Bible, the only people with chariots are the baddies muriel_volestrangler May 17 #87

I don't follow Israel/Palestinians/Arabs issues That closely but I have been off & on for decades. This comment from... electric_blue68 May 17 #65

That's not what he said. I noted it earlier. Beastly Boy May 17 #76

"Making sure this never happens again is THE goal." LudwigPastorius May 17 #119

You may be confusing cause and effect. Beastly Boy Sunday #135

Yes, well the Israelis have only been trying it that way for over half a century. LudwigPastorius Sunday #151

Trying what? The Israelis have been trying many thubgs for over half a century. Beastly Boy Sunday #154

The hostages and Oct 7 provided the pretext to achieve hidden goals. AloeVera May 17 #82

Yeah, blame the victims. Beastly Boy May 17 #86

Lol. I've been wondering the same about your side! AloeVera May 17 #91

Just to bring a glaring oxymoron in your statement to your attention: Beastly Boy May 17 #100

You misread or something. AloeVera May 17 #101

Or something. Beastly Boy May 17 #114

I faulted the hostages? AloeVera May 17 #116

Ummm... yeah! Beastly Boy May 17 #121

I'm sorry about your reading comprehension. AloeVera May 17 #122

I am almost tempted to apologize. Beastly Boy Sunday #124