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muriel_volestrangler

(103,844 posts)
4. "The USA just surrendered to China"
Mon May 12, 2025, 04:52 AM
May 12
This mornings’ press conference was a classic: Let’s be honest about what happened – the USA started a trade fight. China slapped them back. Greer sounded offended when he reminded us they were the only country to retaliate – everyone else wanted to negotiate – hence the ratcheted up to the 145% tariff bill. Yet, by retaliating – China is now on same broad terms as the USA’s no 1 ally, the UK? Classic bully story. Bully hits someone. Someone hits back. Bully stands down.

There were so many conflicting narratives being proposed by the Bessent/Greer double-act. Apparently, it’s all about Fentanyl – Bessent cited the Chinese willingness to support the US crushing the Mexican gangs flooding the USA with Fentanyl. Or it’s about how the terrible state of US/China trade was due to the last 4 years of the Biden administration allowing trade negotiations to “atrophy”. Or maybe it was about about the deal being part of rebalancing of US supply chain weaknesses post Covid.
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It also raises the fundamental issue – the USA can’t afford a trade war. The USA is indebted to the tune of $36 trillion. Trump is promising the big beautiful bill to cut taxes. But as DOGE’s failure showed, he can’t cut spending. The US Military costs nearly $1 trillion per annum and is the only substantive item that could be cut – which he can’t as he has stirred up global tensions. In the Treasury market there is the truth about the US – watch what happens next.

More to the point, a trade/inflation shock is still going to occur as a result of his actions. The upside is it might be slightly less damaging that initially feared. He is unlikely to deliver any of his MAGA promises to voters – except on immigration, which I expect he will big-up to deflect from his trade and economic failures.

https://morningporridge.com/blog/trade/the-usa-just-surrendered-to-china/

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So, US tariffs were cut from 145% to 30%, while China's were cut from 125% to 10%. SunSeeker May 12 #1
30% is highly inflationary Bluetus May 12 #34
The Scarcity of Goods WokeAintWhatIAm May 12 #40
The damage is already done! BaronChocula May 12 #2
lost orders enid602 May 12 #3
Yup. Our soy bean farmers have now lost the huge Chinese market for their product to Brazil. SunSeeker May 12 #5
Yep..and USAID grain sales too. But hell....keep voting for Republicans idiots. Bengus81 May 12 #19
Huge damage for generations. All for nothing. Irish_Dem May 12 #7
I agree, and the tariffs that are left are still substantial enough to cause damage. unless they cut them down to everyonematters May 12 #14
"Stock Monkey"? If you mean people who care about the stock market, you are referring to most people with an IRA, 401K, 24601 May 12 #17
No. BaronChocula May 12 #35
It's market manipulation IronLionZion May 12 #24
And optics manipulation. forgotmylogin May 12 #36
Yes, the damage is done. If TSF has kept his hands off what he obviously doesn't understand... brush May 12 #29
"The USA just surrendered to China" muriel_volestrangler May 12 #4
The analysis above is suspect BootinUp May 12 #21
Does not help the market uncertainty at all. Irish_Dem May 12 #6
the stock market will go up of course on this news, which is all the admin cares about LymphocyteLover May 12 #10
How much money has the Trump crime family made on market manipulation and insider trading? Irish_Dem May 12 #11
No idea on the amount but clearly it is way too much LymphocyteLover May 12 #32
It's almost like these idiots should have just left well enough alone. BlueTsunami2018 May 12 #8
Dow futures up 800 points wolfie001 May 12 #9
Wasn't there already a 25% tariff on China? Prairie Gates May 12 #12
Found a site that was actually tracking and plotting it since 2018 BumRushDaShow May 12 #15
So we don't need those trillion factories to open in the US anymore? Johnny2X2X May 12 #13
Let's put this in perspective Bluestocking May 12 #16
+1. But inflation will be zero dalton99a May 12 #18
Market manipulation BS along with his cut on drug prices SCAM. DOW up 1000+ in pre-market Bengus81 May 12 #20
Trump single-handedly created this disaster and now he is touted as a hero for getting "concessions" hadEnuf May 12 #22
People don't get math. If you lower something "by 115%," it actually becomes negative. (n/t) thesquanderer May 12 #23
President Chaos strikes again. Jacson6 May 12 #25
Not Sure.. ._. May 12 #26
Does that mean there's a 30% tariff on imports from China??? OrlandoDem2 May 12 #27
Before all this started it was around 20% madville May 12 #30
Ohhh, that's why the markets shot up this morning. louis-t May 12 #28
I'm going to take a wild stab here... jmowreader May 12 #31
trump didn't blink, he flinched and dropped his cards. republianmushroom May 12 #33
Can we just admit this was an extremely stupid and terrible idea and move on already? Initech May 12 #37
So, remove Krasnov's trade embargo and install a 30% sales tax on Americans to hit at GoodRaisin May 12 #38
Too little, too late CapnSteve May 12 #39
CNN calling it a win for Trump madville May 12 #41
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