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Ms. Toad

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24. You conflated a description of his ancestry by others
Fri May 9, 2025, 01:44 PM
May 2025

Into a claim by him that he was the first black pope.

From your initial caption:

White smoke, Black pope? Genealogist says Leo XIV has Louisiana African roots


And from the article in that post:

As such, Leo XIV could be considered the first Black pope in the history of the Catholic Church, though it is unclear how he identifies racially.


And from the post I responded to:

The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, Yesterday so that tells me he IS claiming this. Good for him.


And my precise concern is that you are suggesting he claims something about his identity that he has not, from any report I have seen, claimed for himself.

I have absolutely no problem honoring what he says about his identity - should he choose to talk about it. The reason I responded is that you are putting words in his mouth about what he is claiming.

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I wonder JustAnotherGen May 2025 #1
yep. tread lightly here. stopdiggin May 2025 #2
The article makes that clear. But the Church publicly announced this geneology right after the Conclave, pnwmom May 2025 #4
He does not appear to have discussed his ancestry publicly - Ms. Toad May 2025 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 2025 #11
There are documents backing up the genealogist's findings, which he posted online. pnwmom May 2025 #12
and you prove my point ... stopdiggin May 2025 #15
I said: "I don't think any of them would think he was "claiming an experience he did not live." pnwmom May 2025 #16
and yet you seem to be very insistent ? stopdiggin May 2025 #20
I wasn't disputing his ancestry. Ms. Toad May 2025 #21
But being Jewish has two meanings, and one is related to religious beliefs, so I wouldn't claim to be Jewish either, pnwmom May 2025 #23
You conflated a description of his ancestry by others Ms. Toad May 2025 #24
I didn't write most of those words. The National Catholic Reporter did. pnwmom May 2025 #25
First, ancestry is factual. It exists, not something to be claimed or not. Ms. Toad May 2025 #29
It wasn't my caption. It was the article's title. nt pnwmom May 2025 #31
"glad he is claiming it" ... stopdiggin May 2025 #32
... Solly Mack May 2025 #3
That is so cool. Clouds Passing May 2025 #5
Better every minute!!! elleng May 2025 #6
LOL, I had just added that to the OP. And I agree -- better yet! pnwmom May 2025 #7
Frankly, since Obama, such analysis of ancestry seem ultimately counter productive beyond saying Bernardo de La Paz May 2025 #9
I even wonder why this is a topic of our conversation. CTyankee May 2025 #22
More to love about mzmolly May 2025 #10
TY! I Discovered that myself when I Searched for Cha May 2025 #13
The significance of this is that it means the hideous "One Drop" doctrine is dead in European Catholicism. /nt artemisia1 May 2025 #14
Clickbait headline BaronChocula May 2025 #17
2 out of 4 grandparents were Black, by the Census records. That would be more than any Pope in history, pnwmom May 2025 #18
Cool Kid Berwyn May 2025 #19
The 1st black pope, Pope Victor I, served from 189 to 199 A.D.. He was from North Africa & is depicted in paintings as FSogol May 2025 #26
A mongrel American just like me! SARose May 2025 #27
We with Louisiana roots all have African genes TexLaProgressive May 2025 #28
I'm more interested in the Prevost side ms liberty May 2025 #30
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