Surprise For NYT: BERNIE IS ELECTABLE!

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1. Brown wasn't beaten til the last round of primaries. Kerrey, as in former Senator Bob Kerrey, is a Medal of Honor winner from Nebraska. This is why I said you rely on make-believe. You don't even have the most basic facts straight.

2. You misunderstood me. I said he's charming whether he's being negative or positive. I'm not going to risk riling up the rabid Clinton partisans again by pointing out extremely well-known instances of his charm being used negatively.

3. Your examples were irrelevant because you picked two senate races while ignoring the complete asskicking in the House, which was due to elevated turnout. I didn't even mention the absolute destruction in the state races. Angle lost because she was seen as a loon and enough Nevadans preferred having a majority leader from their state. The one from Delaware (her name is escaping me) lost because she was also seen as a loon, as well as a joke. Bear in mind, the Democrats in both of those races made sure to highlight their opponents' looniness. I imagine that highlighting was somehow positive in your mind.

4. Conservatives deal in hypotheticals all day long, son. I live in the south, I think I'd know. They babble on about irrelevant things, while getting their facts wrong, and then get hurt feelings when I point out the obvious. It's a curse, I tell you.

5. I'm sorry but that's too funny. I can only imagine the advice you'd have given Roosevelt or Truman. If you don't get the reference, I strongly suggest, again, that you actually bother to learn the history of the party you claim.

Whining about tone is what losers do. If you worry about not offending anyone, you will offend everyone because it's a weak move. The line you reeled off has been tried for decades and it keeps failing miserably. Why bother reinforcing failure? Hell, just cite Warren Buffet's line about class warfare (which is a stupid phrase, it's class struggle) if somebody bitches. Let them take it up with the Oracle.

6. There's a difference between Joe Nobody saying it and John Kerry, especially in primetime. Kerry preferred to play nice and be shocked by the Swiftboaters. I don't have to worry about whether or not it would have worked because I know what he did, which you advocate, failed utterly. My ideas might not work, but they have the virtue of not having already failed.

7. I've pointed out your, politely, incomplete grasp of the actual facts multiple times now. I've shredded your reasoning based on those non-facts. You continue to insist some mealy-mouthed, let's-all-sing-kumbaya thing is the way to go and I've provided repeated examples of how the exact opposite wins time and time again. Hell, I could have provided you with 40 years of Republican victories ENTIRELY based on negative campaigning to prove my point. It's not that I haven't made my case and won the point, it's that you don't want to believe it. That's fine. After all, reality doesn't care if you believe it.

I called you snide because of your constant references to tribalism and extremism. You strongly suggested that Sanders is an extremist, which is a lie and we both know it. The guy is barely to the left of LBJ and Truman. I find it ridiculous that you continue to complain about "hyper-partisans who hate Democrats" when you're busy dumping on people under the Democratic banner, chief. Not only that, but, and this isn't just quibbling, your use of the word partisan is completely wrong. What you see a lot of on DU is people who are disgusted with partisanship for partisanship's sake (as well as a lot of people who just go rah-rah Team Blue). It's one thing to support your team, it's quite another to support them if you think they're playing for the other side.

The primary source of snide invective on this site comes from people who claim to be pragmatic and are anything but that. The rah-rah Team Blue group are snide as hell all day long. Their attitude is no different from a sports superfan. Everything is winning, nothing is substance. It reminds me of the people who are insufferable when their team is winning, then get angry and defensive when their team is caught cheating. They have no interest in how the winning was done, nor to what point, they just want to cheer for a team. This is touted as pragmatism, when it's really nothing but label-based lunacy.