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MFrohike

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128. I didn't mention Dean

Reply to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #124)

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 03:04 PM

Jun 2015

I just noted that John Kerry was explicitly selected as the most electable candidate in 2004. If you can't explain that colossal failure, then your argument of choosing the most electable is worthless.

Kerry ran a pretty dopey campaign. He had a stupid slogan in "hope is on the way!" He refused to call Bush a liar during the debates, when it would have mattered most. He won no points for equivocating when Bush repeatedly, and openly, lied. Bush's strongest point was being seen as a man who spoke plainly and said what he meant (I said being seen, not being). Kerry's failure to attack that point was maybe his greatest failure. Well, maybe except for not being prepared for the Swiftboaters. I'm not sure how that was a surprise, to be honest. The administration had continuously lied regarding Iraq and the entire Axis of Evil. If they were willing to lie us into a war, they would lie all day in a campaign.

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