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H2O Man

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2. Thank you!
Fri May 22, 2026, 02:05 PM
May 22

I've been thinking about writing the actual story of the murderers that Rubin and John were falsely convicted of. There are a few good books, but there were things that couldn't be told until, well, everyone involved had died. The fellow with the shotgun, who Rubin was accused of being, confessed on his death bed, and named the late guy with the pistol.

There are still people in the boxing community who insist that Rubin was guilty. It is interesting to see their response to a few things. First, let's consider the murder of Malcolm X. Two men, dressed in suits, one with a shotgun, the other a pistol. The crime Rubin was convicted of had two men dressed in suits, one with a shotgun, the other with a pistol. Now, Rubin and John were not in the NOI, and were dressed differently than the murderers. The two that survived the shooting said it was not Rubin and John that night while they were in the hospital.

And that's just the beginning. The police had picked up the two actual gunmen that night. Both failed polygraphs, while Rubin and John passed their's. (I have the reports.) One was held in jail for a month. The other fled the state after being released. He had told his uncle, a well-known boxing referee, the truth before leaving. But witnesses for Rubin and John were threatened. One was held by police for a month in a hotel room, being pressured to lie.

I could go on and on.

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9 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Hurricane [View all] H2O Man May 22 OP
You ought to be a writer. cachukis May 22 #1
Thank you! H2O Man May 22 #2
If you have the time and enough typewriter ribbons. cachukis May 22 #5
Any possibility -- this is kind of far-fetched -- that Rubin was framed to take him out of the boxing game? malthaussen May 22 #19
Wow, hell of a story, good job! Walleye May 22 #3
Thanks! H2O Man May 22 #6
That's so interesting and sad. Shows how little we know of our own history. Walleye May 22 #24
Waterman you are my idea of good people malaise May 22 #4
Thank you! H2O Man May 22 #7
Nailed it re the penal system malaise May 22 #13
There are some H2O Man May 22 #21
The cruelty sanctioned by the state in many countries is malaise May 22 #27
"Less money invested in prisons?" I don't think so, Pat. malthaussen May 22 #20
Not in my state. H2O Man May 22 #22
That was an excellent read. You had a super cool experience becoming friends with Hurricane. 1WorldHope May 22 #8
Thank you! H2O Man May 22 #11
It is a pleasure to be here and read your wisdom. 1WorldHope May 22 #23
Well, thank you! H2O Man May 22 #29
A Truly Strong Man Kid Berwyn May 22 #9
I have a NYT article H2O Man May 22 #25
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe May 22 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 22 #26
Dylan flashman13 May 22 #12
Great song! H2O Man May 22 #30
I read this a few months ago. mgardener May 22 #14
Beautiful! H2O Man May 22 #31
Wonderful story, H2O Man! lastlib May 22 #15
Thanks! H2O Man May 22 #32
Thanks, Pat Easterncedar May 22 #16
Thank you! H2O Man May 23 #33
Yes. It seems wrong. Easterncedar May 23 #36
K & R Recommended! FakeNoose May 22 #17
Thanks! H2O Man May 23 #34
Wonderful, amazing and inspiring. people May 22 #18
Thank you! H2O Man May 23 #35
I love your Rubin stories Saoirse9 May 22 #28
Thank you! H2O Man May 23 #37
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