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In reply to the discussion: Kirsten Gillibrand [View all]

Ocelot II

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30. And since then many of them have said they regretted it.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 08:03 PM
12 hrs ago
A remarkable number of Franken’s Senate colleagues have regrets about their own roles in his fall. Seven current and former U.S. senators who demanded Franken’s resignation in 2017 told me that they’d been wrong to do so. Such admissions are unusual in an institution whose members rarely concede mistakes. Patrick Leahy, the veteran Democrat from Vermont, said that his decision to seek Franken’s resignation without first getting all the facts was “one of the biggest mistakes I’ve made” in forty-five years in the Senate. Heidi Heitkamp, the former senator from North Dakota, told me, “If there’s one decision I’ve made that I would take back, it’s the decision to call for his resignation. It was made in the heat of the moment, without concern for exactly what this was.” Tammy Duckworth, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, told me that the Senate Ethics Committee “should have been allowed to move forward.” She said it was important to acknowledge the trauma that Franken’s accusers had gone through, but added, “We needed more facts. That due process didn’t happen is not good for our democracy.” Angus King, the Independent senator from Maine, said that he’d “regretted it ever since” he joined the call for Franken’s resignation. “There’s no excuse for sexual assault,” he said. “But Al deserved more of a process. I don’t denigrate the allegations, but this was the political equivalent of capital punishment.” Senator Jeff Merkley, of Oregon, told me, “This was a rush to judgment that didn’t allow any of us to fully explore what this was about. I took the judgment of my peers rather than independently examining the circumstances. In my heart, I’ve not felt right about it.” Bill Nelson, the former Florida senator, said, “I realized almost right away I’d made a mistake. I felt terrible. I should have stood up for due process to render what it’s supposed to—the truth.” Tom Udall, the senior Democratic senator from New Mexico, said, “I made a mistake. I started having second thoughts shortly after he stepped down. He had the right to be heard by an independent investigative body. I’ve heard from people around my state, and around the country, saying that they think he got railroaded. It doesn’t seem fair. I’m a lawyer. I really believe in due process.”

Former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, who watched the drama unfold from retirement, told me, “It’s terrible what happened to him. It was unfair. It took the legs out from under him. He was a very fine senator.” Many voters have also protested Franken’s decision. A Change.org petition urging Franken to retract his resignation received more than seventy-five thousand signatures. It declared, “There’s a difference between abuse and a mistake.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken

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Kirsten Gillibrand [View all] milestogo 15 hrs ago OP
Absolutely! The Swalwell issue stinks of repuke rat fuckery. SheltieLover 15 hrs ago #1
Even Al called for a Senate Ethics committee ivestigation. ProudMNDemocrat 15 hrs ago #2
Tony dropped out. There is talk of kicking him out of congress. LeftInTX 12 hrs ago #24
The 'allegations" against Franken were nothing compared to Swalwell. What Gillebrand and others Nanjeanne 15 hrs ago #3
The allegations are serious. milestogo 15 hrs ago #8
The "allegations against Franken were nothing, period. ananda 12 hrs ago #18
False. Why do Franken defenders continue to say that? EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #19
Read this, and please be honest about it. Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #28
I've read it in the past. It didn't change anything for me EdmondDantes_ 10 hrs ago #39
Mob mentality Bluetus 9 hrs ago #45
One of the alleged incidents occurred in 2024, but of course all of the accusations Ocelot II 9 hrs ago #46
Would you acknowledge any of these 4 things? Bluetus 8 hrs ago #53
Any of those things are possible, which is why a thorough investigation is needed. Ocelot II 8 hrs ago #54
Thank you for this! niyad 6 hrs ago #56
Franken Cirsium 12 hrs ago #29
I mostly agree with you but not entirely jfz9580m 8 hrs ago #50
Yes exactly. Nanjeanne 11 hrs ago #31
She was one of many SocialDemocrat61 15 hrs ago #4
Who was one of many what? Amaryllis 14 hrs ago #9
39 Senators SocialDemocrat61 14 hrs ago #11
Thank you! Amaryllis 14 hrs ago #12
They just KNEW if they played nice and canned Franken then Republicans Bengus81 13 hrs ago #13
You speak of playing nice, footballs. Games, teams, and jerseys. R vs. B Maru Kitteh 11 hrs ago #37
And since then many of them have said they regretted it. Ocelot II 12 hrs ago #30
So? SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #32
How do you know the other 32 didn't also regret it? Ocelot II 11 hrs ago #33
I don't SocialDemocrat61 11 hrs ago #34
no reason to think that they don't, either Skittles 10 hrs ago #43
Is there evidence SocialDemocrat61 9 hrs ago #47
I don't see Chuck Schumer on this list - WTF? FakeNoose 13 hrs ago #14
Schumer probably directed things SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #22
SHE LED THE WAY Skittles 13 hrs ago #17
same here. nt orleans 12 hrs ago #20
By less than 5 minutes SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #21
editing Skittles 12 hrs ago #25
You are entitled to your opinion SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #27
aren't they all? Skittles 11 hrs ago #36
Some are more supported by facts than others. EdmondDantes_ 10 hrs ago #40
I never said she was alone, I said she LED THE WAY Skittles 10 hrs ago #41
No its not SocialDemocrat61 9 hrs ago #48
well like you said THAT'S YOUR OPINION Skittles 8 hrs ago #51
No. SocialDemocrat61 8 hrs ago #52
I'd rather have Tina Smith, thanks. She's been fantastic. WhiskeyGrinder 15 hrs ago #5
No and they won't. Autumn 15 hrs ago #6
Who won't what ? Indefinite pronouns. Cant tell what your references refer to. Amaryllis 14 hrs ago #10
+1000 aeromanKC 15 hrs ago #7
The whole conservative establishment in the party has to go LiberalLovinLug 13 hrs ago #15
Hear, hear! ZDU 12 hrs ago #26
Good memory! ABC123Easy 13 hrs ago #16
Why isn't the responsibility on the man who had 8 accusers? EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #23
Why can't believing them and still not wanting him thrown out be an option? Polybius 10 hrs ago #38
I admit I didn't think anyone would say he groped a bunch of women and it's not a fireable offense as an option EdmondDantes_ 10 hrs ago #42
But he didn't do it on the job, it was alleged to have been years ago Polybius 10 hrs ago #44
One of his accusers SocialDemocrat61 9 hrs ago #49
Thanks for reminding us of something that happened 8 years ago. tinrobot 11 hrs ago #35
I'm with you! Faux pas 7 hrs ago #55
KNR and bookmarking for later. niyad 6 hrs ago #57
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