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Martin Eden

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20. Atreus, I agree with and applaud everything in your OP -- except the subject title
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 10:18 AM
Sep 12

Voter suppression, fraud, and schemes to overturn free and fair elections are direct attacks on democracy. J6 was the single greatest direct assault on our Democracy. Assassination of an elected official is also direct, because it overturned the choice of voters.

The killing of Charlie Kirk was a direct attack on free speech, which is a component of democracy. This may sound like nit picking or semantics, but I think the term "direct" is a bit of a stretch.

My view is likely colored by the fact that Kirk's influential rhetoric in support of Donald Trump and what he represents contributes to the very real ongoing direct assault on American democracy.

Of course, we should all remember the principle of "disagree with what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it."

So, maybe I need to reassess my objection to your subject title. Charlie Kirk certainly deserved to be rejected and publicly disgraced for his destructive poisonous rhetoric, but not to be killed for saying it.

I feel the same way about Donald Trump. Don't make him a martyr. Reject his poison, remove him from office, and see that justice is served. I want him to spend what remains of his life in prison, paying for his crimes.

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If a lone gunman assassinating a purveyor of hate is a threat to our democracy, then surely mass shootings lostincalifornia Sep 12 #1
Facts! Atreus Sep 12 #8
Who decides who fits the description of purveyor of hate? RoseTrellis Sep 12 #12
I leave it to you to "debate" who is a purveyor of hate or not. I don't have any confusion about it, and I sure lostincalifornia Sep 12 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 12 #21
Every time Trump's polls drop, a shooter shows up to boost his approval mainer Sep 12 #2
yep bigtree Sep 12 #3
What's your solution Atreus gab13by13 Sep 12 #4
Not More Violence Atreus Sep 12 #10
Nobody on here is advocating killing anyone. For their beliefs or for any other reason. Crunchy Frog Sep 12 #14
Closing Thoughts Atreus Sep 12 #16
Why is it "political violence" when it could be typical "gun violence" blm Sep 12 #5
A point: Kirk was not a government official. This was a murder. Not an assassination. Scrivener7 Sep 12 #6
Thank you Ghost of Tom Joad Sep 12 #15
Killing a social media personality is not as big an attack on Democracy as killing state politicians Johnny2X2X Sep 12 #7
Yes, and so is using a random killing to try to foment violence against political opponents. Crunchy Frog Sep 12 #9
The problem is Trump. Emile Sep 12 #11
I disagree Fiendish Thingy Sep 12 #13
Motive OC375 Sep 12 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 12 #19
Atreus, I agree with and applaud everything in your OP -- except the subject title Martin Eden Sep 12 #20
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