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Atreus

(72 posts)
10. Not More Violence
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 09:37 AM
Sep 12

The outrage being expressed is real, the epidemic of gun violence, the attacks on elected officials (I get it, Kirk was not an elected official), the ease with which someone can kill someone else, these are urgent, frightening problems. I don’t have a simple solution. But none of that changes the fact that taking a life, or hand-waving it away when it happens to someone you despise, is wrong.

Call it assassination, call it murder, call it gun violence, the label matters less than the principle: killing someone for their beliefs or influence is a step toward normalizing fear and retaliation, and it corrodes our society. We can debate how much of an impact one death has on democracy, or compare tragedies, those points are valid. But the core truth remains: violence against people we disagree with undermines the very democracy we’re trying to protect.

We can and should be worried, but we also have to be consistent in our condemnation. Empathy for victims, regardless of politics, is not weakness, it’s what keeps society from turning revenge and hatred into policy.

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If a lone gunman assassinating a purveyor of hate is a threat to our democracy, then surely mass shootings lostincalifornia Sep 12 #1
Facts! Atreus Sep 12 #8
Who decides who fits the description of purveyor of hate? RoseTrellis Sep 12 #12
I leave it to you to "debate" who is a purveyor of hate or not. I don't have any confusion about it, and I sure lostincalifornia Sep 12 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 12 #21
Every time Trump's polls drop, a shooter shows up to boost his approval mainer Sep 12 #2
yep bigtree Sep 12 #3
What's your solution Atreus gab13by13 Sep 12 #4
Not More Violence Atreus Sep 12 #10
Nobody on here is advocating killing anyone. For their beliefs or for any other reason. Crunchy Frog Sep 12 #14
Closing Thoughts Atreus Sep 12 #16
Why is it "political violence" when it could be typical "gun violence" blm Sep 12 #5
A point: Kirk was not a government official. This was a murder. Not an assassination. Scrivener7 Sep 12 #6
Thank you Ghost of Tom Joad Sep 12 #15
Killing a social media personality is not as big an attack on Democracy as killing state politicians Johnny2X2X Sep 12 #7
Yes, and so is using a random killing to try to foment violence against political opponents. Crunchy Frog Sep 12 #9
The problem is Trump. Emile Sep 12 #11
I disagree Fiendish Thingy Sep 12 #13
Motive OC375 Sep 12 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 12 #19
Atreus, I agree with and applaud everything in your OP -- except the subject title Martin Eden Sep 12 #20
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