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jfz9580m

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4. I mostly only follow Yan Lecun in that field
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:17 AM
Thursday
https://www.businessinsider.com/yann-lecun-meta-ai-guardrails-geoffrey-hinton-2025-8

https://www.businessinsider.com/world-model-ai-explained-2025-6

He strikes me as pretty sane and his work is cool.

I am struggling with human cognition, not for everyday stuff, but definitely wrt how to get back quietly into scientific research in my field if that’s an option even.

I was looking at this a bit bleakly and thinking it’s not just ai that’s struggling with all that:

https://www.businessinsider.com/world-model-ai-explained-2025-6

"We need AI systems that can learn new tasks really quickly," he said recently at the National University of Singapore. "They need to understand the physical world — not just text and language but the real world — have some level of common sense, and abilities to reason and plan, have persistent memory — all the stuff that we expect from intelligent entities."



Good stuff :

Computer scientist and MIT professor, Jay Wright Forrester, in his 1971 paper "Counterintuitive Behavior of Social Systems," explained why mental models are crucial to human behavior:

Each of us uses models constantly. Every person in private life and in business instinctively uses models for decision making. The mental images in one's head about one's surroundings are models. One's head does not contain real families, businesses, cities, governments, or countries. One uses selected concepts and relationships to represent real systems. A mental image is a model. All decisions are taken on the basis of models. All laws are passed on the basis of models. All executive actions are taken on the basis of models. The question is not to use or ignore models. The question is only a choice among alternative models.


(If I am not mistaken, that’s the scientist who wrote that treatise on the limits to growth, which fundamentalists and pro-business think tanks attacked self-servingly along with the useful idiots (of the awful Betsy Hartmann type) of society.)

Worth a read:

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/15-988-system-dynamics-self-study-fall-1998-spring-1999/65cdf0faf132dec7ec75e91f9651b31f_behavior.pdf

While (some scientists aside), I generally think a pox on MIT, Stanford, Harvard etc., Forrester seems okay.

Anyway sobering food for thought. I don’t really buy the hype on AI (or anything). But these assholes can be expected to make the working woman’s life about as hard as it gets and competitive in all sorts of unfair ways on the one hand, while you can’t really argue with it otoh without being this lame and whiny person.

I hope they (these AI creeps etc.) all get diarrhoea ;-/. I better log off and go focus on work.

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