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155. He affirmed that gun deaths are inevitable in an 'armed society', as if it were a given that societies

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 08:44 PM

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would make it easier to buy assault-style semi-automatic rifles and unlimited ammo than it is to buy a six pack, and frequently disparaged the idea of rational gun control. And he affirmed that innocent people's deaths were an acceptable trade-off in his mind so he can keep his manly gunz.

To be clear I'm not saying at all saying he deserved what happened, but he seemed perfectly comfortable with telling all of us that we should accept the inevitable horrible outcome of HIS beliefs.

And then when I look at the fact that the very last words out of his mouth were disparaging towards trans people, and people of color (it's not like we don't know what he meant by 'gang-related'), I feel like he died doing what he loved (talking shit about non-cisgender white people), from a danger he consistently said was not all that significant. As such, I feel just fine saying I don't have that much sympathy for him personally, given this particular cause of death. Poems should perhaps be written and passed on about the Foibles of Charlie Kirk.

However, I'm also saying that the shooter is a vile and disgusting cretin.

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Every single post here that appears to celebrate Charlie Kirk being shot makes DU look bad. [View all] highplainsdem Sep 10 OP

Thank you . obnoxiousdrunk Sep 10 #1

Yes. It's ugly. We shouldn't do that. MineralMan Sep 10 #2

You're right orangecrush Sep 10 #29

Correct. If ya can't say nothing good about a dead person..... 3Hotdogs Sep 10 #126

"thoughts and prayers" Jack Valentino Sep 10 #178

Malcolm Nance agrees - emphatically. soldierant Sep 10 #142

He wasn't Assassinated JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #192

It is what it is. Klarkashton Sep 10 #3

It is an extrajudicial killing. That's what it is Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #42

Because it is what it is. Klarkashton Sep 10 #52

Shaming people probably won't change their behavior at this point. Irish_Dem Sep 10 #4

This is not about etiquette. This is about basic decency and humanity. Gun violence is not acceptable. highplainsdem Sep 10 #9

Shaming people is not an effective strategy at this point. Irish_Dem Sep 10 #16

What then? Encouraging them? Politeness does not forbid criticism of others in the group. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #40

Yes BeneteauBum Sep 10 #79

No and I don't celebrate gun violence biophile Sep 10 #87

But charlie said it was, to protect 2A. niyad Sep 10 #176

... but in this case it is rather ironic, since Charlie Kirk stated that Jack Valentino Sep 10 #180

You don't have to be decent JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #193

I can remember when politics was more polite. Septua Sep 10 #111

Years of brutal war waged against us has altered our persona. Irish_Dem Sep 10 #117

You are, of course, correct but if we stoop to their level, they will have won. TomSlick Sep 10 #150

Yes of course. I do not mourn for evil being taken off the planet. Irish_Dem Sep 10 #157

The going JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #194

Maybe not but it still needs to be said that political violence against anyone is wrong. totodeinhere Sep 10 #175

The PutinMAGAs are at war with America. Irish_Dem Sep 11 #189

Exactly JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #196

Positively Greg_In_SF Sep 10 #5

Oh well. Autumn Sep 10 #6

... orangecrush Sep 10 #7

The mocker of other deaths gets the Darwin Award. GreenWave Sep 10 #78

Post removed Post removed Sep 10 #8

Yes. eShirl Sep 10 #13

I hope you are not volunteering to be judge or jury or executioner. Extrajudicial violence is not the way.. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #41

Stay out of powerboats in the Carib! BidenRocks Sep 10 #71

You are responding to some other post. I said nothing in this event about "being nice" or "turning the other cheek". . n Bernardo de La Paz Sep 10 #74

Sorry. BidenRocks Sep 10 #85

Yes. WillowTree Sep 10 #62

as Michael Moore said, some in this world only pay attention when it happens to them samsingh Sep 10 #134

Absolutely Polybius Sep 10 #135

I would rather he be alive JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #197

I don't want people thrown in Gitmo and tortured for extreme posts Polybius Sep 11 #219

I disagreed with his hatred. But murdering him was not the answer. totodeinhere Sep 11 #211

Is it wrong to point out that this man had, on multiple occasions, stated he was perfectly okay AZJonnie Sep 10 #10

No. eShirl Sep 10 #15

It IS fair. Facts matter. AZ8theist Sep 10 #64

Indeed. He consented to his own murder TommyT139 Sep 10 #82

Exactly, he at least in part orchestrated his own death Farmer-Rick Sep 10 #113

did he actually *affirm* gun violence? ClaudetteCC Sep 10 #139

He affirmed that gun deaths are inevitable in an 'armed society', as if it were a given that societies AZJonnie Sep 10 #155

This. Why should we not be able to point to his own words when describing this situation. Iris Sep 10 #161

The logical conclusion is that he doesn't want me to feel empathy for him being murdered AZJonnie Sep 10 #165

I guess he didn't realize that empathy and sympathy are 2 different words Iris Sep 10 #167

Thanks for your concern on the matter Samael13 Sep 10 #11

Disagree. Charlie Kirk made Charlie Kirk look bad. Coventina Sep 10 #12

This comment says it all. Iris Sep 10 #162

We should remember Charlie Kirk by his own words. LetMyPeopleVote Sep 11 #217

Do I really need to control anonymous people on DU? Duncan Grant Sep 10 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Random Person Sep 10 #101

Does this include posting his own words on guns ? JI7 Sep 10 #17

It's downright ForgedCrank Sep 10 #18

Hate people who want to gleefully put you and I in a camp? paleotn Sep 10 #92

Hyperbole and ForgedCrank Sep 11 #187

No JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #198

100% agree Yorkie Mom Sep 10 #19

Agreed and it's particularly annoying when it is bite-sized, intense, and new-person OP lostnfound Sep 10 #20

And yet, those who celebrate have no business calling other people haters. WillowTree Sep 10 #21

Why? JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #199

Anyone celebrating murder SUCKS. eShirl Sep 10 #22

That's why we have BidenRocks Sep 10 #80

What you going to post here when SHIT STAIN gets his? Brainfodder Sep 10 #23

when MFer dies of natural causes on his golden toilet, that's different. maxsolomon Sep 10 #43

Nah, I think the celebrating is that ONE GASLIGHTING WALKING DICK MOVE is down, and MIGHT SCARE OTHERS! Brainfodder Sep 10 #48

there's disagreement, then. maxsolomon Sep 10 #50

Agree. BannonsLiver Sep 10 #144

Agreed. whathehell Sep 10 #24

Nope. QueerDuck Sep 10 #25

we have this same convo every time a righty dies. obits r the 1st draft of history. mopinko Sep 10 #26

Don't you understand that every politically-motivated shooting makes another one more likely? highplainsdem Sep 10 #61

So political assassinations haven't been going on for 10,000 years? AZ8theist Sep 10 #72

They have. And treating them as okay makes them happen more often. Charlie Kirk being shot makes highplainsdem Sep 10 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Sep 10 #131

2 Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota have ALREADY been murdered. AZ8theist Sep 10 #182

that's not the topic of this post. mopinko Sep 10 #88

DU does not exist in a bubble. Posts here are read by RWers and quoted elsewhere. highplainsdem Sep 10 #93

Democratic Underground is not on most folks feeds Keepthesoulalive Sep 10 #169

Or Religious? or.....? vanlassie Sep 10 #107

Whatever the motive was, the shooting still shouldn't be treated as okay - as something Kirk deserved. highplainsdem Sep 10 #112

I think the responses here (over my 20 years) vanlassie Sep 10 #136

Karma knows no politics pfitz59 Sep 10 #27

Well I haven't seen any but if I do I senseandsensibility Sep 10 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Sep 10 #30

He's putting troops in US cities and deporting people to Uganda SamuelTheThird Sep 10 #33

Agree. It's unseemly. Patton French Sep 10 #31

Three high school students in Evergreen CO were Hassler Sep 10 #32

Exactly!!! tavernier Sep 10 #73

This! mcar Sep 10 #83

Exactly. I am almost running on empty with this administration and distributing my empathy appropriately is the last bit Iris Sep 10 #168

Charlie Kirk was a horrible person Cuthbert Allgood Sep 10 #34

I agree. QueerDuck Sep 10 #36

I had no idea who he was Tree Lady Sep 10 #46

The world is a better place. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 10 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sep 10 #35

Agree. What they're saying, even though they writerJT Sep 10 #37

Who is "they"? Who appointed you as the DU interpreter? live love laugh Sep 10 #55

Bad at context? writerJT Sep 10 #129

Help 👋🏽 live love laugh Sep 10 #154

Are they in the room with you? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 10 #59

Sure you're not in favor of it. 👍 writerJT Sep 10 #127

The only thing that shocks me is to learn that he had a wife and kid/s. Who would fuck that? QueerDuck Sep 10 #38

Upon seeing their picture together Tree Lady Sep 10 #49

The tooth-to-gum ratio is what really creeped me out... buzzycrumbhunger Sep 10 #54

One of the many wicked witches is dead...and I condemn gun violence pbmus Sep 10 #39

A celebration of the gun culture Kaleva Sep 10 #44

As opposed to the fascists' celebrations... Jirel Sep 10 #45

what celebrating? is asked in some posts Skittles Sep 10 #97

Agree SuzyandPuffpuff Sep 10 #47

I don't see my posts as Celebrating Charlie Kirk's demise Vogon_Glory Sep 10 #51

so....gun violence is wrong Skittles Sep 10 #98

Your conclusion doesn't follow Vogon_Glory Sep 10 #105

judge jury and executioner Skittles Sep 10 #141

Your argument still doesn't follow. Vogon_Glory Sep 10 #164

Thought twice, thrice, frice, then posted what deserved to be posted. eppur_se_muova Sep 10 #53

I don't know about inevitable Vogon_Glory Sep 10 #56

Celebrating murder... Mike Nelson Sep 10 #58

Total exaggeration and hyperbole. Why attempt to silence commentary? live love laugh Sep 10 #60

nice straw man eShirl Sep 10 #63

I just don't care that he died. Elessar Zappa Sep 10 #65

Last thing on my mind... kxs Sep 10 #66

Thank you! And welcome to DU. hamsterjill Sep 10 #75

I don't see anyone "celebrating" Nigrum Cattus Sep 10 #67

I'm not celebrating vercetti2021 Sep 10 #68

And, I Simply Don't Care What It Looks Like ProfessorGAC Sep 10 #69

Taking the high road all these years got US steamrolled by a fascist dictatorship. If anyone doesn't like ImNotGod Sep 10 #70

I have sympathy for people that are suffering and dying because of tRUMP's policies and............. wolfie001 Sep 10 #76

No. I take no joy in this murder mcar Sep 10 #81

We all rail against fascism but quail at what it takes to end it. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 10 #84

I am mentally and physically getting ready for war. BidenRocks Sep 10 #90

The plotters against Hitler all hung from piano wires wolfie001 Sep 10 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Sep 10 #86

Unfortunately, we (most of us here) live in ... littlemissmartypants Sep 10 #89

What people say is usually unrelated to what they do. In fact, it's usually the opposite. usonian Sep 10 #91

The natural world really doesn't need these awful humans mucking things up. Going out to my woods now... tazcat Sep 10 #109

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but I have promises to keep usonian Sep 10 #119

Thanks for the webcam tip! now watching....nt wiggs Sep 10 #116

Wecams are at (and I forgot to give credits, for the first time ever) usonian Sep 10 #121

be careful pointing that out Skittles Sep 10 #95

Can I say that I support the kind of gun control laws that Charlie Kirk derided? viva la Sep 10 #96

That's fine. I've made it clear that I despised him and what he stood for. But being okay with someone highplainsdem Sep 10 #102

Well, I wouldn't do that anyway. viva la Sep 10 #122

Really? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 10 #145

It's giving JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #205

I will say this, markodochartaigh Sep 10 #99

I don't see people celebrating. I see people refusing to pretend to mourn. Warpy Sep 10 #100

zero sympathy for him moonshinegnomie Sep 10 #103

Look bad to whom? Should we be worried it won't last another 24 years? Phentex Sep 10 #104

I don't celebrate but FB47243 Sep 10 #106

It's what we do ..... dumbcat Sep 10 #108

I agree there is no YoshidaYui Sep 10 #110

Yes, and that feeling it should be open season on Dems is more likely if Dems appear to think this highplainsdem Sep 10 #114

Exactly YoshidaYui Sep 10 #120

There have been more than a few people ..... dumbcat Sep 10 #124

What scares me is if someone takes it YoshidaYui Sep 10 #115

You don't think it's already dumbcat Sep 10 #128

I hope it doesn't escalate YoshidaYui Sep 10 #159

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 10 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Sep 10 #123

What apparently escapes you is that lots of Republicans see some Democrats and liberals as just highplainsdem Sep 10 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Sep 10 #133

Whether or not you think it's a false equivalence, they don't think it is. We need rule of law. And rule highplainsdem Sep 10 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author 58Sunliner Sep 10 #147

Blaming right-wing violence on Democrats and/or DU is laughable. TwilightZone Sep 10 #140

to paraphrase Mark Twain Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 10 #130

You won't find anything like that from me Polybius Sep 10 #132

Me either TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 10 #143

What it is ain't exactly clear... GJGCA Sep 10 #156

That might have been true in 1995. But Republicans have spent 30 years lying about what "liberals" say meadowlander Sep 10 #138

I feel exactly as bad about him being shot as he would have felt about me being shot. Orrex Sep 10 #146

That reminds me of a talk show host in the Northeast Just_Vote_Dem Sep 11 #200

Totally Agree! ybbor Sep 10 #148

Behold! Here is the field where I grow my fvcks... QueerDuck Sep 10 #149

He's a gun proponent who publicly said that a few deaths a year was "worth it" pnwmom Sep 10 #151

Let's say nothing at all happened to *him* today... BamaRefugee Sep 10 #152

Thank you, you are 100% correct wendyb-NC Sep 10 #153

What is acceptable to you? Keepthesoulalive Sep 10 #158

Good question. nt SunSeeker Sep 11 #184

Good and FAIR question JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #206

I see your point iemanja Sep 10 #160

I see something that makes DU look worse---a post with a heading that says DU posts are celebrating his death. Doodley Sep 10 #163

Exactly. This OP defames DU and DUers. SunSeeker Sep 11 #185

Well said! Doodley Sep 11 #212

+7 👏 Emile Sep 11 #209

Do you find it 'disgusting' that he's dead? (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Sep 10 #166

I'm not dancing on his grave planj07 Sep 10 #170

Network glitch wiped my post. usonian Sep 10 #171

It's disgusting. valleyrogue Sep 10 #172

ABSOLUTELY!!! calimary Sep 10 #173

The man was a piece of shit GenThePerservering Sep 10 #174

I will keep my first amendment rights thank you very much !! stonecutter357 Sep 10 #177

Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot". mcar Sep 10 #179

Yes, it does. CentralMass Sep 10 #181

Reminding people of the hate Kirk spewed is not celebrating dflprincess Sep 10 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Sep 11 #220

A man was murdered. berniesandersmittens Sep 11 #186

Yes, exactly. nt Raine Sep 11 #188

Agree. betsuni Sep 11 #190

I don't care JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #191

I'm done giving a single fuck about decorum. TheBadWolf Sep 11 #195

Your concern is noted. Ferrets are Cool Sep 11 #201

If it was Democrat, you would see far worse coming from the right, and they are proud of it. doc03 Sep 11 #202

Should we take the high road again? Omnipresent Sep 11 #203

MSNBC agrees. orangecrush Sep 11 #204

Hmm JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #207

Yup orangecrush Sep 11 #208

He supported gun violence. travelingthrulife Sep 11 #210

Do not forget Melissa Hartman LetMyPeopleVote Sep 11 #213

I haven't forgotten. Nor have I forgotten the liberal Democratic values I've considered important since highplainsdem Sep 11 #215

So you are okay with trump and the MAGA types treating Melissa Hartman differently from Kirk? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 11 #216

No, of course I'm not okay with that. I don't think Charlie Kirk deserves any honors. But I posted this highplainsdem Sep 11 #218

As does every instance of sanctimony and self-righteousness Torchlight Sep 11 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Friday #221