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BaronChocula

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73. I certainly don't disagree with everything you said

Mon Sep 1, 2025, 03:49 PM

Sep 1

I suppose there's always more that can be done. As for Schmidt and Nance, they're great at sounding the alarms of what we already know, but I don't credit them for much else. If it seems like the party isn't functioning as a team it's because when a party is out of power no one person sets one single game plan. As we both referenced, we have many great leaders who bring their strengths in messaging and in all, their messaging is harmonious. Their messaging on National Guard deployment is in sync. Their messaging on kidnapping people without due process is in sync. Their messaging on tariffs is in sync. And so on.

I don't know enough about the entirety of congressional strategy under Jeffries and Schumer, but I honestly don't know if things would be any different if Democratic posses marching into federal agencies would have put us in any better position. Would it have? I praise my senator Alex Padilla for standing up to their clueless Homeland Security secretary and getting arrested for it, but all that did was show what we know - we're up against an authoritarian regime.

I think as we get further into midterm season we will see more Democrats in front of cameras. This is just my opinion, but early messaging has negligible returns given the interest/attention of the bulk of Americans. Add to that, Democratic messaging is way more difficult than republican messaging. Without getting too deep in weeds, I've said here on DU as much as I can that the republican party gets the White Man's Pass. republicans get way more credit and way more passes than they deserve. Any generic poll will find that republicans are trusted more with the economy and foreign policy in general though that contradicts the data. It's because when people look at the parties they see a republican party of nearly all white men. When they look at the Democratic Party they see far fewer white men and this makes way more white voters less at ease. Democratic messaging faces far more skepticism among white voters. It's in our country's DNA.

Thank you if you've read this far.
And thank you for such an engaging OP.

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The attacks on Ali Velshi's monologue yesterday - "Where's the Party?" are out of line. [View all] yellow dahlia Aug 31 OP

I agree with you, yellow dahlia. I watched Ali Velshi's show and then re- watched it again when posted here Deuxcents Aug 31 #1

Thank you. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #6

Out of line? Really? mcar Aug 31 #2

Agree JustAnotherGen Aug 31 #3

I know.. Really? "out of line".. lol! Ariella Elm Cha Aug 31 #8

Are you kidding? yellow dahlia Aug 31 #13

Journalists JustAnotherGen Sep 1 #44

I did not say journalists can't be criticized. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #48

Based on what i read JustAnotherGen Sep 1 #49

You identified part of the problem - Social Media. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #52

No - I'm not X JustAnotherGen Sep 1 #53

The dominant culture is not aware of what is going on - yes. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #58

I don't care JustAnotherGen Tuesday #154

Ali Velshi isn't Black. Velshi's family comes from India. LeftInTX Tuesday #161

Just one point... Chemical Bill Sep 1 #81

Neither Steve Schmidt nor John Fugelsang are Democrats. N/T lapucelle Wednesday #170

Indeed, you can criticize anyone you want at any time. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #9

Pencil to a gunfight mcar Aug 31 #16

Yeah and it is also false bullcrap. emulatorloo Sep 1 #40

Sorry to disappoint you, other people don't tell me what I think. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #50

Not constructive criticism as you claim that's all you do mcar Sep 1 #59

I'm not 'disappointed' in you. However I agree w bigtree. Your sources are only telling half-truths emulatorloo Tuesday #152

Ariella Elm says Velshi wants to have a Cha Aug 31 #14

I am not sure people on here have read her entire thread on what the dems have actually been doing Bev54 Aug 31 #15

That's a really good suggestion, Bev. Cha Aug 31 #17

I read the whole thread. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #27

Why do I have to read an entire unsubstantiated thread by an influencer to get this info? Ilikepurple Sep 1 #34

Thank you for your salient points. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #63

Why did you have to get news from an influencer? Because "journalist" Ali Velshi sucks at his actual job. lapucelle Sep 1 #102

As does most of the MSM mcar Sep 1 #116

I've never watched. Velshi's performance isn't germane to my point. Ilikepurple Tuesday #165

You asked a question, and I answered it. lapucelle Wednesday #169

Velshi is not the only avenue to get the message out. Ilikepurple Wednesday #174

And not only that... BaronChocula Sep 1 #33

This is what I object to as well mcar Sep 1 #60

Yes! BaronChocula Sep 1 #62

I am not expecting a single armored Democrat. I don't think a superhero yellow dahlia Sep 1 #66

I certainly don't disagree with everything you said BaronChocula Sep 1 #73

Thank you for being willing to listen, yellow dahlia Sep 1 #82

Plus that is not Schmit and Nance's only message mcar Sep 1 #117

Agree. murielm99 Tuesday #153

I agree LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #166

Well... sheshe2 Aug 31 #4

"...Ali Velshi wants to talk with Ariella Elm.. " Cha Aug 31 #10

Pretty cool indeed, Cha. sheshe2 Aug 31 #11

Exactly.. Hopefully it will lead to Cha Aug 31 #12

I hope that Velshi follows up LetMyPeopleVote Sep 1 #55

You and " that woman on BlueSky are both right Bobstandard Aug 31 #5

It is quite ok for someone to call out the media, who once again do not provide information to their viewers Bev54 Aug 31 #18

I agree with you, her, and the OP Bobstandard Sep 1 #47

"That woman"? sheshe2 Aug 31 #7

I think both "types" are important for their own reasons BlueSpot Aug 31 #19

I always say the best way to manage a team is to play to various strengths. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #25

Back in February ... alimbalt Aug 31 #20

Fortunately they ignored him mcar Sep 1 #61

Carville is only one guy creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #84

Today's Democrats: A band of hungry, pissed off lions led by a gaggle of sheep. AverageOldGuy Aug 31 #21

You have identified some key points. Communication! Strategy! yellow dahlia Aug 31 #23

Because the speeches from the steps have to find a way creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #85

Some seem to believe we owe fealty iemanja Aug 31 #22

Indeed. Fealty to "party" and to ideology are getting in the way pf solutions. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #24

Nope creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #86

Have you seen the polls about Democratic party favorability? iemanja Sep 1 #89

The party as a whole has bad rating. creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #91

Schumer and those who voted for the CR iemanja Sep 1 #92

What key issues had the DNC told Democrats not to talk about? creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #93

The GOP called Biden and Harris Marxists iemanja Sep 1 #95

I know creeksneakers2 Tuesday #135

Chuck Schumer voted AGAINST the CR, as did every Democrat in the Senate , except for Jeanne Shaheen. lapucelle Wednesday #171

Thank you! I must remember the facts next time that lie shows up. betsuni Wednesday #173

That particular piece of misinformation gets repeated so often lapucelle Wednesday #175

I know there are dems doing important work and responding to the moment. 58Sunliner Aug 31 #26

some dems are already doing a lot? fine, I say..do more..and even more nt msongs Aug 31 #28

Exactly. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #29

I have to say... BWdem4life Aug 31 #30

There is a lot of (unfortunate) history that got us here. yellow dahlia Aug 31 #31

This has been a known and much discussed problem with the Democratic Party for as long as I've been on DU, Crunchy Frog Sep 1 #32

Thank you. We share a concern. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #35

Ali's monologue was brilliant! ClimateChangeisReal Sep 1 #36

Yes but being brilliant and being right are not going to win this war dwayneb Wednesday #172

"Ali is right." J_William_Ryan Sep 1 #37

Exactly!!!!! LeftInTX Sep 1 #39

Rosa Parks found the levers of power at the front of the bus. n/t Chemical Bill Sep 1 #51

you can't shame the shameless. Civil disobedience isn't going to do jack shit to a Republican administration thebigidea Sep 1 #113

Fair point... Chemical Bill Sep 1 #123

Then how have republicans successfully blocked legislation LearnedHand Sep 1 #56

"Democrats need to fight". Al Green got up during Trump's speech and shouted. LeftInTX Sep 1 #38

Thank you! Fighting won't inspire voter stampedes to the polls, lack of yelling won't make voters stay home betsuni Sep 1 #41

Thank you for this mcar Sep 1 #64

If you're not going to stand up for Democracy and the Constitution, don't run for office. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #68

Al Green's district was completely eliminated. Now we're down one less Democratic seat. LeftInTX Sep 1 #71

Wait... Chemical Bill Tuesday #155

Yes! That's the way it is in Texas. They're abusive. LeftInTX Tuesday #159

Believe it or not, yes it appears that is the case. Scrivener7 Tuesday #163

It's so easy MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #138

Al may run in CD 18 next cycle which now includes a great deal of his old district LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #167

Has this been cross posted to... littlemissmartypants Sep 1 #42

I agree. I think the "How Dare You Say More Can Be Done" posse has found their new Emptywheel. Scrivener7 Sep 1 #43

That is absolutely the point. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #45

Yes. One would think our recent experiences would have cured us of believing those influencers Scrivener7 Sep 1 #46

I disagree LetMyPeopleVote Sep 1 #54

I disagree. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #69

Again, I think that you are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Sep 1 #72

From my perch, it is clear that the "blame game" became an excuse, yellow dahlia Sep 1 #78

Do you have an evidence that fraud occurred? creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #88

For 2024, there is so much data. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #96

Well, I Googled your Election Truth Alliance. creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #131

Post removed Post removed Tuesday #134

Fine with me if you don't respond. creeksneakers2 Tuesday #136

Have you read The Conyers Report? ,n/t Chemical Bill Tuesday #156

That's right creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #87

I see you joined Nov 5, 2024. (Election Day) LeftInTX Sep 1 #75

Three things yellow dahlia Sep 1 #76

where is the coverage of what our leaders are saying EVERYDAY? bigtree Sep 1 #57

Please make this its own OP mcar Sep 1 #65

Yes, please make this an OP! betsuni Sep 1 #67

I applaud your bringing together of information and data. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #70

please bigtree Sep 1 #74

It is not Ali's job to get Dems elected. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #80

lol bigtree Sep 1 #98

You may be conflating politics and journalism. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #100

so is he, and so does the op. I'm not enamored of Velshi. He puts me to sleep. bigtree Sep 1 #101

I'm sorry. As I said in my previous reply - yellow dahlia Sep 1 #103

it's your own assertion that I don't watch him bigtree Sep 1 #105

OMFG! No one in the discussion has said they're not voting for the party that's not fascist. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #107

jesus. bigtree Sep 1 #108

Bingo. sheshe2 Sep 1 #112

big tree, I love you mcar Sep 1 #118

Deaf and obstinate MorbidButterflyTat Tuesday #137

Indeed. One is NOT a friend of Democrats... Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #149

What does "meeting the moment" mean? More symbolic vagaries. creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #90

Acting like a war time consigliere. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #94

Vague nothingisms mcar Sep 1 #119

Sounds like one of those "inspirational" business seminars. betsuni Tuesday #139

Or copying and pasting from an online catalog of those tired old inspirational posters Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #151

Nothing specific creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #125

Meeting the moment. Chemical Bill Sep 1 #106

Zelenskyy is a perfect example. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #120

Nothing specific there either. creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #126

Real leaders have that special je ne sais quoi magic (no old people with glasses on their noses, no tweets after church) betsuni Tuesday #140

I don't see a specific objection there. creeksneakers2 Tuesday #146

Guess I'd better add the sarcasm thing. betsuni Tuesday #147

I'll reread it with that in mind. creeksneakers2 Tuesday #148

Democrat-bashers mock Schumer's glasses and Jeffries one tweet mentioning God. betsuni Tuesday #150

You're really big on the whole... Chemical Bill Tuesday #158

Another way to insinuate they're out-of-touch elites sipping champagne cocktails at the Status Quo Bar & Grill betsuni Sep 1 #109

and how effective have these whingers been against republicans as they attack Democrats bigtree Sep 1 #110

This isn't about yellow dahlia... Chemical Bill Tuesday #157

They are caucus leaders, not cheerleaders. There is a huge difference. LeftInTX Sep 1 #127

Thank you. I think people get it in their heads that leaders mean activists for causes they believe betsuni Tuesday #141

I agree with everyone, Make This An OP! sheshe2 Sep 1 #111

WOW, thank you for this post LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #168

In wartime, the losing side must have some vigorous debate. Irish_Dem Sep 1 #77

As always, you bring logic and reason to the debate, ID. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #79

And facts. sheshe2 Sep 1 #121

The few suggestions you actually made were symbolic creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #83

I can respond to all your challenges, but right now it would take time and mental capacity yellow dahlia Sep 1 #97

no answer creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #128

I'm sorry - you're being rude. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #130

I'm sorry if you found me rude creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #132

Now you're calling me a liar? yellow dahlia Sep 1 #133

Nothing forces you to. creeksneakers2 Tuesday #162

Developing a coherent agreed upon strategy WOULD PULL THE PARTY TOGETHER. Irish_Dem Sep 1 #99

Thanks ID. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #104

Research shows that every time a truth bomb hits cult members, some of the peel off from the leader. Irish_Dem Tuesday #142

I'm not asking anybody to shut up. creeksneakers2 Sep 1 #129

I did make a valid argument. Irish_Dem Tuesday #143

I don't see what you say you said creeksneakers2 Tuesday #145

Lower turnout on our side... Chemical Bill Tuesday #160

My sentiments exactly. Gimpyknee Sep 1 #114

Thank you. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #115

It isn't really so many. It is just a few swarming you as so many others have been swarmed in the past. Scrivener7 Sep 1 #122

Thank you for your gracious comment. yellow dahlia Sep 1 #124

TL;DR: Missing moments and holding their members, leaders must be replaced by war time consigliere betsuni Tuesday #144

Small and friendly quibble, i saw him in clip back then saying: " We Are Winning!!" msfiddlestix Tuesday #164