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AloeVera

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66. The mental health of these societies is not the point right now.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 09:59 AM
Jul 21

If it were, you could excuse the actions of October 7th. After all, in 2009 or so, it was found that Gaza's children had the highest level of PTSD in the world. Some of these children, especially the orphans, grew up to participate in October 7th. But that is an excuse because nothing justifies Oct 7th, right? Not the 17-year blockade, not the land theft in the WB, not the fact that they were subjected to daily violence and brutality on and on. Nothing, right?

I don't know what the settlers excuse is except they covet Palestinian lands because "God gave it to them" - but they sure are sick people.

The point right now is to stop the daily killing, the ethnic cleansing plan already being implemented, the starvation and destruction. Yesterday 67 starving people were shot and shelled to death by the "felt threatened" IDF, hundreds injured, as they looted an aid truck of flour. Why did they do that? Israel won't let in nearly enough food. 19 people including children DIED of starvation in the last day. The IPCC warns that 22% of Gaza's population is facing CATASTROPHIC levels of hunger. That is the stage at which people stop dropping dead. Only in a genocide does this happen. It is man-made entirely and it's the height of evil.

I don't know about you, but all this fills me with disgust, outrage and infinite sorrow for these people. So please I don't want to hear both-sides-ism. There is only one side committing this evil for nearly 2 years now and as long as we're still engaged in both-sides-ism, and collective guilt/complicity moral lapses, it won't stop.

But if you think all of Israeli society is responsible for the actions of the settlers, just as you imply all Palestinians are responsible for Hamas - does that mean that you would also "understand" why Palestinians would go on a rampage killing all Israeli civilians they could on Oct. 7th? Obviously they too thought all Israelis were "complicit" in what they have suffered for 75 years... Plus PTSD!!

Of course not. Because you can clearly see murdering Israeli civilians for revenge is wrong. Yet you are still engaging in explaining why all Palestinians are complicit, your point being - whether you realize it or not - to excuse or rationalize THEIR unjust killing for revenge.

What I've seen revealed consistently from Israel's defenders and supporters is a very telling double standard where Palestinian lives are not valued equally to Israeli lives. If they were, there would be no excuses or justifications for Israel's brutality towards them.

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At this point I think a lot of people are more focused on the fascist takeover of their own country. BannonsLiver Jul 20 #1
I think most Americans Pototan Jul 20 #2
If they could, a fascist takeover of our own country wouldn't be occurring in the first place. W_HAMILTON Jul 20 #7
That's incorrect. muriel_volestrangler Jul 21 #64
lol all evidence to the contrary. BannonsLiver Jul 20 #27
"Most" ?? NO--- possibly only about 50 percent Jack Valentino Jul 20 #32
Isn't about "50%" Pototan Jul 21 #36
TBH, I am struggling every damn day.... Happy Hoosier Jul 22 #78
Agreed JustAnotherGen Jul 21 #53
I think the vast majority of Americans have some opinion on Gaza Polybius Jul 20 #3
Americans did seem to have a strong, priority position Pototan Jul 20 #4
Funny how that all died out after tsf won. sheshe2 Jul 20 #11
Has anyone heard a peep from Jill Stein? Pototan Jul 20 #12
She crawled back under her rock from whence she came. sheshe2 Jul 20 #15
fyi Be Leave On Jul 21 #38
Could you link me to any Pototan Jul 21 #40
Yes, what a surprise. BannonsLiver Jul 20 #28
IKR!? sheshe2 Jul 20 #31
Right? mcar Jul 21 #58
It's almost as if a switch was flipped to the off position. sheshe2 Jul 21 #59
Oh, but Jill Stein is posting both sider shite on Musk's hellsite mcar Jul 21 #62
Almost like it was manufactured outrage.... NT Happy Hoosier Jul 22 #79
Trump has given us much else to worry about. Intractable Jul 20 #14
I'm guessing that you markodochartaigh Jul 21 #34
Over on X - lots of Americans have it a top priority womanofthehills Jul 21 #57
Kicked out of college. Kid Berwyn Jul 20 #5
The press should ask the questions Pototan Jul 20 #9
You asked about Jill Stein - I just saw some of her X posts womanofthehills Jul 20 #20
I don't see Trump's name in these tweets Pototan Jul 20 #30
Dear God, she's using Gaza to push her "both sides are the same" bullshit. SunSeeker Jul 21 #33
she's done enough damage, now just rubbing it in LymphocyteLover Jul 21 #35
Atrocities would be the correct term B.See Jul 20 #6
Agreed Pototan Jul 20 #10
So what would it take to actually get to that point of indefensibility, if we're not already there yet? TheRickles Jul 21 #52
The point of my comment ISN'T B.See Jul 21 #69
Got it - apologies for misunderstanding your comment. TheRickles Jul 21 #70
Being silenced by Trump and Netanyahu. Initech Jul 20 #8
Palestine attacked Israelis civilians. Now they are stuck Melon Jul 20 #13
How many children need to be murdered Pototan Jul 20 #16
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In the meantime Pototan Jul 20 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #43
Exactly. Hamas is responsible for putting civilians in harm's way. Oopsie Daisy Jul 21 #49
"Palestine" did not attack Israeli civilians. AloeVera Jul 20 #19
Sure it did. October 7, 2023. They killed, raped, tortured Melon Jul 20 #22
Never mind. Have a nice evening. AloeVera Jul 20 #24
Perhaps you should ready some of the forensics. sheshe2 Jul 21 #41
"Five men" UpInArms Jul 22 #76
That was Hamas BlueSpot Jul 20 #29
I agree it's gone to far. But Hamas is the Palestinian people. Since 2007 Melon Jul 21 #39
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No. For a start, over half of Palestinians in the occupied territories live in the West Bank, not Gaza muriel_volestrangler Jul 21 #67
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This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #55
The mental health of these societies is not the point right now. AloeVera Jul 21 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #68
I nearly fell off my chair reading the title of your post (in a good way)! AloeVera Jul 21 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 22 #75
What a fucking heartless thing to say. Condoning war crimes. Its shameful erodriguez Jul 20 #23
So was 10/07. sheshe2 Jul 21 #42
So the systemic starvation and collective punishment of innocent people are justified? erodriguez Jul 21 #45
I did not say that, now did I. sheshe2 Jul 21 #60
And that's a permanent blank check for Bibi's deliberate campaign of civilian murder, is it? Orrex Jul 20 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #51
I would imagine that it's difficult to be a Palestinian, too. Orrex Jul 21 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #65
Really? atreides1 Jul 21 #56
If there is no "land called Palestine" Mossfern Jul 22 #82
Well, there's plenty of outrage over Gaza right here. Intractable Jul 20 #17
One consequence of Gaza outrage in the US is shitting in the White House Martin Eden Jul 20 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 21 #48
"Americans got exactly what they wanted" Martin Eden Jul 21 #50
Aw man, the whole thing is just heartbreaking. calimary Jul 21 #37
K&R spanone Jul 21 #44
I feel like there's no way for that outrage to get through. If we had elected Kamala, she could have done Scrivener7 Jul 21 #54
buried under anti-semitism? WhiteTara Jul 21 #63
The rage burned out raging against the Biden Admin's inability to control Israel's war. maxsolomon Jul 21 #72
Or maybe they know they'll be doxxed, intimidated, kicked out of college, jailed, deported, lose their jobs? AloeVera Jul 21 #74
JVP and WOL aren't in college maxsolomon Jul 22 #80
Yeah, sure... AloeVera Jul 22 #81
Right now, I'm wondering.... Happy Hoosier Jul 22 #77
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