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3. Here's my answer on how does no tax on tips

Tue May 27, 2025, 08:34 AM

May 27

At first glance, “no tax on tips” and “no tax on overtime” sounds like it helps working people — and it can. But here’s how the rich could benefit too:

1. Loopholes get exploited: High-income earners with flexible compensation deals (like executives or business owners) might start calling big chunks of their bonuses or extra pay “overtime” to avoid taxes. If there's no strict limit on what counts as "overtime," they could game the system.

2. Business owners save more: Employers (especially wealthy ones) might shift how they pay workers — giving more “tips” or “overtime” instead of regular wages. That can reduce their payroll tax obligations too. Less taxes paid = more profit kept.

3. Uneven impact: A rich person getting tax-free overtime on a $200/hour consulting gig gets a bigger break than a waitress getting tax-free tips on $5/hour. The rich save more simply because their numbers are bigger.

In short: good idea in theory for workers — but without strict guardrails, the rich find ways to use it more effectively, and disproportionately benefit.

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Democrats Need A PR Firm - They Have No Unified Message [View all] gab13by13 May 27 OP

We have needed one for decades, and it is a mystery to me why we don't get one. Scrivener7 May 27 #1

Right? I really believed the party was run like a machine but I guess I was completely wrong Iris May 27 #25

Thanks MaineNative May 27 #2

Lots of us have. usonian May 27 #7

Yes. I've done the same, ranted at them about it. Still...NADA. n/t CousinIT May 27 #10

DNC Needs to Think Outside the Box Falcon101 May 27 #40

Here's my answer on how does no tax on tips Tickle May 27 #3

I also wonder if people will start tipping less gab13by13 May 27 #6

Everything about U.S. tipping culture is out-of-control NCDem47 May 27 #9

That is from AI. RandiFan1290 May 29 #54

Are WE not Democrats? MineralMan May 27 #4

We need to constantly call our Reps, gab13by13 May 27 #13

You miss my point entirely. MineralMan May 27 #23

Did I? gab13by13 May 27 #26

Maybe you should start a thread about that. Answering THIS thread that way is really just saying, "Shut up." Scrivener7 May 27 #46

Well, thank you for your suggestion. MineralMan May 27 #47

It does seem to come easily to you. And again, your questions in response to the topic of THIS thread Scrivener7 May 27 #49

Perhaps it's not the message alone, but it's the appartus to get it out too NCDem47 May 27 #5

The MSM will cover a town hall like MSNBC did for fired federal workers. gab13by13 May 27 #14

I have literally screamed at them to get their messaging act together. CousinIT May 27 #8

Preach. Yes, we're working from behind here. NCDem47 May 27 #11

Dems are 40 years (at least) behind on this. n/t CousinIT May 27 #17

If "leaders" can't get this basic message out (sent by Bernie) then ... I just don't know. usonian May 27 #12

Now, imagine the impact gab13by13 May 27 #15

Indeed- but Bernie and AOC's message is the opposite of what PR firms would recommend Fiendish Thingy May 27 #24

Then find a different PR firm. gab13by13 May 27 #27

That is the message AOC and Bernie presented at their recent rallies Fiendish Thingy May 27 #22

They are unAmerican maga Repubs JustAnotherGen May 27 #38

2028 campaign needs to start now. mopinko May 27 #16

The ole GOTV strategy. gab13by13 May 27 #18

that's y we need to start now. mopinko May 27 #19

Town halls are being done by Democrats in Illinois. murielm99 May 27 #21

That is fantastic, it's the right approach, gab13by13 May 27 #28

Tell the Democratic reps near you what you want. murielm99 May 27 #29

Run for office where you live as a Democrat. MineralMan May 27 #42

A PR firm is the last thing Dems need Fiendish Thingy May 27 #20

I repeat, find a different PR firm then. gab13by13 May 27 #30

Survival is a much different focus than controlling the narrative Fiendish Thingy May 27 #34

We darn sure need something. Unfortunately, even if we get rid of the $470 B a year from tax cuts to wealthy, Silent Type May 27 #31

Spines of Courage are needed by all Dems. Clouds Passing May 27 #32

They need real leadership, not "Yay, it's my turn!" Iggo May 27 #33

Absolutely agree Picaro May 27 #35

"Promote the General Welfare", should be the message. Bluethroughu May 27 #36

Or we could JustAnotherGen May 27 #37

Message Iamscrewed May 27 #39

Fetterman, Joseph Lieberman and Rahm Tetrachloride May 27 #41

So many things the Dems are behind the GOP awesomerwb1 May 27 #43

Maybe this is the destiny of the USA tonekat May 27 #44

"Not our job." Kid Berwyn May 27 #45

Saw an old Huey P Long speech. Damn if it wasnt spot on to our times JCMach1 May 27 #48

Meanwhile DNC types are trial ballooning Rahm Emmanuel JCMach1 May 27 #53

That we're taking the Sarandon approach is an exquisite irony Sympthsical May 27 #50

What they need is to stop playing Trumps game of appealing to the Republican Dark Side. Ping Tung May 27 #51

Dem leaders should be able to own the news cycle calling out the GOP bill, but here we are. themaguffin May 27 #52